tlrtone's Miglia Speedster build...

[tlrtone]

I thought I would start a new thread, as I am amassing lots of pictures of the donor herald and strip down and haven't got round to building a website like my last one (www.mysammiospyder.co.uk)

This is the sorry donor, bought from ebay for £205 as a part finished restoration!

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/2013-02-16/2013-02-16%2010.47.09.jpg

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/2013-02-16/2013-02-16%2010.47.02.jpg


The nice thing about it (if there is one..) is that the chassis underwent a rebuild so everything was new - but that was about 6 years ago, and it was stood since then...

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/2013-02-17/2013-02-16%2012.21.13.jpg

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/2013-02-17/2013-02-16%2012.21.34.jpg

It will need a full strip and rebuild again, but has some nice touches like stainless steel brake hoses and a really good chassis that won't need any welding!! :eusa_clap:

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/2013-02-17/2013-02-16%2012.21.53.jpg

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/2013-02-17/2013-02-16%2012.21.26.jpg

[garyh]

Same colour?

[tlrtone]

the 1300 engine was not in a great condition though and so I have bought an even more sorry 1500 MG Midget engine....

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/2013-02-17/2013-02-16%2015.16.13.jpg

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/2013-02-17/2013-02-16%2015.16.29.jpg


When I started stripping it down, and got rid of all the corroded ancilliaries, the actual block and head were in great condition - I reckon it had a rebuild, with new bearings and piston rings etc only a few thousand miles before it was taken out and stored for 3-4 years...

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/2013-02-23/2013-02-22%2021.08.21.jpg

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/2013-02-23/2013-02-22%2021.08.38.jpg

The mains are 0.010 u/s so it had the crank reground and the big ends are std size. No wear on the crank or bearings so I reckon a spruce up , rebuild and some new bits (distributor, alternator, water pump etc) it should be lovely in the miglia speester.


Temp home for the rebuild pictures is here.... (http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build)

[tlrtone]

Gary,

this one will be a different colour, just haven't decided yet though...

We be adding in servo brakes on this one (with a BMW E30 pedal assembly) and some other mods here and there.

Aiming for end of May on the road! :party:

[garyh]

looking forward to following this build, good luck.

[davecymru]

When you say, part restored.
Which part? :)

[tlrtone]

When you say, part restored.
Which part? :)

err, the whole chassis - new everything - but then they parked it up under a tarpaulin for 6 years or so! The rear brake drums and front calipers still had the paper protection and labels on them!

Pity, as it will need a complete stripdown again but at least all the bolts should come off fine! Will repalce the rubber bushes with silicone ones as well while I am at it.

I am going to inspire you to build another "proper" kit car Dave! (only j/k Lambo kit looks cool btw)

[davecymru]

I do miss the Little Red Car, although i can't wait to drive the Big Red Car! :)

If i only had the space and money I'd be not far behind you in talking to Mike!

[mikmiglia]

Looks like id better get you a body , My kit comes with its own fibreglass bulkhead , so sells your s on . you dont mess around . Be interesting to see someone build one of my kits . Good on you Tony .:party:

[Paul L]

TriTone - Good luck Tony, I'm looking forward to following your build. :cool:

[Mister Towed]

Donor looks like it was great value despite the years spent under a tarp.

Looking forward to seeing your build progress. Are you going to have lowered floors in this one?

[tlrtone]

:icon_razz: Donor looks like it was great value despite the years spent under a tarp.

Looking forward to seeing your build progress. Are you going to have lowered floors in this one?

yes, the chassis was a good buy, and the bits of body I don't need were sold for the price of it, so it has cost me nothing so far! :icon_razz:

And yes, I will be putting in lowered floors this time, although I am sticking with the same seats (landrover two-part) as they were extremely comfortable and lent themselves very well to hinging forward.
(( The storage behind the seats was a godsend for making the sammio more practical - popping down the shops, storing jackets, picnics etc- and so this one will have a similar mod. ))

I am hoping for good weather this weekend so I can get the chassis stripped for painting next week - another build on the driveway - the wife is soooooo looking forward to arrival of the circus tent again in a few months! :hug:

Mike's Miglia kit has a built in bulkhead this time, no more bonding problems around that this time, so I am hoping for a fairly quick build of around 3-4 months - weather and time permitting. Just in time for the scorching summer we are going to have. :target:

Mike has also muted torwards a hard-top option, so I have put my name down as first on the list for one of those!

I won't be adding a stereo and speakers this time - never had it on as it was too noisy anyway, and took away from the enjoyment of listening to the engine.

Summing up my thoughts so far...


Swing spring conversion with 1" spacer block
15" wire wheels (again - silver or black!)
rebuilt 1500cc Midget engine, with standard 13/60 recon gearbox and diff
Landrover seats (hinged backs to access storage behind the seats)
BMW E30 pedal assembly complete with servo and built in clutch m/c
'teardrop' miglia bonnet - not the V8 upside down wheelbarrow :icon_razz:
colour? not sure - quite fancy the Lancia D24 burgundy


The aim is to get it all on the road for this year with the standard engine and drivetrain - they are quick enough - and quite scary at high speeds anyway - not the road holding but the thought of being very exposed in a crash - quite sobering! then next year I want to do one with a V6 or V8 and associated drivetrain and improved chassis.

but as always, plans can change.......

[garyh]

I won't try and keep up with this build... maybe the V6/V8 that should hopefully take a bit longer!:pray2:

[tlrtone]

Went down to see Mike at Miglia today and saw the first kit roll off the production line.....

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/.Miglia%20Kit%20Photos/IMG_6272.jpg


I didn't fully appreciate the amount of work that has gone into this. The dashboard is actually part of the body ...

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/.Miglia%20Kit%20Photos/IMG_6277.jpg

The door shuts are finished nicely, and the doors are pretty weighty items that should close with a nice thud! Even the bolt holes for early mini door hinges are moulded in so you can't drill then wrong! Nice attention to detail.

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/.Miglia%20Kit%20Photos/IMG_6289.jpg


Another little "feature" is that the frame bolts to the chassis, and then the body is mounted, like the Sammio/Ribble kits, but this time, the body has mounting points so you can't get it misaligned.. nice! :eusa_dance: No more faffing with the bonnet gaps and door gaps this time!

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/.Miglia%20Kit%20Photos/IMG_6299.jpg


http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/.Miglia%20Kit%20Photos/IMG_6303.jpg

Also, I didn't appreciate that the front end is significantly longer than the Sammio I built, meaning that the front bumper corners on the chassis won't need to 'fall off', and there is lots of room to put a choice of radiator and mountings in there.

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/.Miglia%20Kit%20Photos/IMG_6305.jpg

And because the body is one piece, the frame comes right to the front and adds additional support. No more bonnet flexing or adding in additional strengthening. I am hoping for a quick build so all this helps a lot, having gone through the long-winded sammio route first time.

Oh, and you get a front bulkhead as well and this is set back from where the original is so you get around 8-10" extra room at the front in the engine bay - ideal for my BMW servo I have planned. The flat bits at the font cover the front outriggers, and is where I will be mounting the battery so it is accessible, but out of the way, again no more worrying about a lowered battery tray!

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/.Miglia%20Kit%20Photos/IMG_6284.jpg


So really impressed with the set up - even the jig for making the frames is a work of art!

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/.Miglia%20Kit%20Photos/IMG_6311.jpg

And here's the next kit underway...(hopefully mine :pray: )

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/.Miglia%20Kit%20Photos/IMG_6312.jpg





So all in all I can't wait to get mine started now! :icon_cool:

[davecymru]

There are some lovely touches in there, looks like Mike really learned from some of the interesting "quirks" of the Sammio!

[mikmiglia]

Nice to see you today, im glad you like the kit. Ive tried to make it , so the customer enjoys building their Miglia kit. I forgot to mention the kit also comes with the new longer bolts , so you will be able to fit the frame and body. This should only take an hour to fit too :icon_cool: .

[garyh]

Excellent looking kit, very comprehensive. Also like Tirts enthusiasm... I'll get back to my long winded Sammio kit that you made for me. Keep up the great work.

[mikmiglia]

Thank you Gary, it can only get better from now:lol: , how are you getting on with your car mate ?

[garyh]

Painting house... Going very well. Got all my classic parts ready and will make the rest. If I keep painting, I am promised another couple grand, but that's it.

[mikmiglia]

You sound like your under the thumb like me :lol: still do you think your have it built for the summer ?

[garyh]

You sound like your under the thumb like me :lol: still do you think your have it built for the summer ?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[mikmiglia]

Was you laughing because i asked if the car would be on the road this summer
:eusa_silenced:

[tlrtone]

I got bored with a black engine, so I went for a colour that was going to look period....

from rusty old engine to shiny enallemed one...

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/2013-03-03/2013-03-03%2012.18.50.jpg


http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/2013-03-03/2013-03-03%2012.18.55.jpg

(yes, I know the valves are in the wrong way round! :laugh: )

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/2013-03-03/2013-03-03%2012.20.14.jpg


Also got some new and old bits for the build.... Early Vitesse 1600 Header tank which I loved on my old sammio, poly bushes for the chassis and a full accuspark distributer and electronic ignition kit with plugs, leads and blue coil...

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/2013-03-03/2013-03-03%2012.24.10.jpg


And this is my BMW e30 pedal set complete with servo...

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/2013-03-03/2013-03-03%2012.22.19.jpg

http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/2013-03-03/2013-03-03%2012.23.02.jpg


and my TR7 handbrake that has convenient flat mounts and just needs an appropriate nut welded to the cable end so it fits the herald standard handbrake cable (same as I had on my Sammio)


http://www.silo14.co.uk/mymigliaspeedster/build/2013-03-03/2013-03-03%2012.23.20.jpg


This week will be rebuilding the engine and painting the gearbox so that is all ready to slot into the chassis once it is stripped, painted and rebuilt.

[mikmiglia]

Looks good Tony, looks like dove grey ? What paint did you use .

[tlrtone]

it's Harrison Lathe blue/Grey actually :icon_cool:

It's 0.5litres from ebay - a company called Stationary Engine Parts.

Engine enamel, good and tough and a whole range of colours, heat and oil resistant.

[mikmiglia]

Nice colour didnt take you long to prep and paint.

[Paul L]

+1 on the nice engine colour. :cool:

[tlrtone]

got round to putting my own website together ... www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk

lots more pictures of the build.

I am aiming to get the engine built this weekend - unless the obligatory Mothering Sunday stuff gets in the way!


Also, since davecymru has mentioned getting up to Stoneleigh, I was going to try for that as a target date, so my rough plan works out like this:

10/3 Engine & gearbox built
17/3 Chassis Stripped
24/3 Chassis Painted & assembled
31/3 engine in and Frame on
7/4 wiring done and body on
14/4 Seats and interior mounted
21/4 Doors hung and body prep started
28/4 Painted
2/5 Interior & exterior fitted and MOT'd

simples! :laugh: :dizzy:

[garyh]

What about the DVLA bit?

[davecymru]

what can possibly go wrong? :)

[mikmiglia]

Hi Gary, i will book it in for two weeks time. So it will be road worthy. Just for further reference they did say they needed the car almost finished.

So body fitted, doors on, engine in but not needed to be run, interia fitted (seats and belts). Its not a bad thing as it needs to be done anyway, but where as before they would let you go down without a bonnet and engine they want to see it further on.

[tlrtone]

What about the DVLA bit?

Oh that little thing :dizzy:

[tlrtone]

what can possibly go wrong? :)

Bad weather
No money
No time
Grumpy missus
Wrong parts
Fail mot
Unimpressed visa inspector man
.............


Have I missed anything?

:pray:

[tlrtone]

Hi Gary, i will book it in for two weeks time. So it will be road worthy. Just for further reference they did say they needed the car almost finished.


err, I think we may need to wait until Mid April then.. :icon_cool:

[tlrtone]

not a lot done this weekend due to Mothers Day duties, but have been collecting everything together for the engine....

822

new valves will go in the head this week and hopefully I cna get the engine build in the next few days. That will be that job out of the way then. :eusa_dance:

I have cleaned and painted the gearbox in the same blue - it was reconditioned about a year ago so apart from new mounts, that should do it for that.

Next up is the chassis, but it has started to snow here so I won't be working on that outside for the next couple of days at least! I might have to paint the Spitfire petrol tank I have.

Mike has called me to say my kit will be ready this week, so I better crack on! :flame:

[mikmiglia]

Bloody hell , that engine looks the part, better than black well done

[Mister Towed]

Yep, proper show car shine on that motor, well done.

[tlrtone]

:eusa_dance: ooh, looks like we are all one big happy family again!

I've been moved.... :hug:

[Paul L]

Welcome "home" Tony. :grouphug:

I had a look at your new build website the other day.

Sounds like your first build experiences have influenced the final kit design. :cool:

Good luck, Paul. :)

[Mister Towed]

Yes, welcome back Tony. Good luck with your new project, I guess you're Mike's guinea pig...

[tlrtone]

thanks. It is good to be here.... again :biggrin1: :whoo:

Mr T, funnily enough I went to Mike's on Saturday to pick up my frame, but while I was there, I asked if I could 'borrow' his welder to make some mods to it. If you remember from my Sammio build, my little mig welder kept cutting out and as my mum alwasy said - if you don't ask, you don't get! :eusa_dance:

I wanted to move the tank to the rear and put in a luggage space as that was really useful in the Sammio. The end result was that I left my frame there and Mike said he will use that to be the 'standard build' now :icon_cool:

I quite like the idea of being the guinea pig if I can help influence the design to make it better for others in the longer run!

This is the "modified" frame...

829



When I got home I started putting the engine together....

New valves ground in....

832
830

Pistons in with new rings....

831



I am just waiting on the new thrust washers from Rimmers (i'm tightening up the end float from the standard 8-14 thou to around 3-4 thou) and then the crank can get put in and the engine closed up and built.

[garyh]

You make it look so easy, are you reading how to put engine together or do you just know?

[Mister Towed]

Looks like good progress so far. Like the fuel tank position, after all, that's where I've put mine.

Engine's also coming along nicely, you do appear to be missing a couple of cylinders though. I'm sure I could only count four, is that right? :peep:

A more serious question now - what's the access going to be like to the engine with a fixed front end?

One of the nice things about Gary's original design imho is the retention of the tilting/removeable front end. This gives superb access for in situ maintenance and future engine/gearbox changes.

I've already taken the engine and gearbox out of mine with the body bonded on (to fix a leaky oil seal) and it was a piece of cake with no bonnet fitted. With the weight of the Vitesse engine and box swinging around I wouldn't be confident about posting it in through an oblong hole between the wings once it's painted. :fear:

Speaking of which, I'd better get out into the garage while there's still some daylight left...

[tlrtone]

You make it look so easy, are you reading how to put engine together or do you just know?

Gary, I have put together quite a few engines (car & bike) over the years, so they are all a similar process. I have the Triumph Workshop manual and Google to check up on tolerance, guidance and best practice! :icon_cool:
I just love the internet and forums for that sort of thing. Like it is advised by some credible engine builders to reduce the crank endfloat from the standard 8-14 thou to around 3-4 thou.


Engine's also coming along nicely, you do appear to be missing a couple of cylinders though. I'm sure I could only count four, is that right? :peep:

A more serious question now - what's the access going to be like to the engine with a fixed front end?



Yes, Mr T it is only a 4-pot this time - but it is the 1500 MG Midget engine (same as the Spitfire 1500 one), so should go nicely. Although a standard Herald 13/60 gearbox with no overdrive for now. I am considering in future a 5 speed conversion using a Ford Type 9 gearbox and adapter kit from jigsaw racing.....:eusa_dance:

Regarding access, this was a key area I was worried about. I even asked Mike about the possibility of converting it to a flip front! :laugh:

However, when I was there on Saturday, we had the body on to make sure that the frame mods worked, and actually the bonnet opening is HUGE so there is absolutely no problem with access! the engine will come out with the gearbox attached and not touch the sides! Even a 6-pot will be okay.

One of the things that i didn't appreciate is that the bulkhead is sat about 8-10 inches back and so you get more space around the engine. This does mean that the gear stick needs to be adapted to shift backward - Mike is doing an exchange kit for this!

Hopefully in about 3-4 weeks I will have the rolling chassis and body on so I will take pictures to show you how it all looks in the engine bay.

I think Mike is building a customers car as well at the moment, so he may beat me to it!

[tlrtone]

small pictorial update as I built up some of the engine last night...

checked the endfloat and ordered the new thrust washers accordingly.

834


then the bottom end got fitted up and pistons in...

833

[mikmiglia]

Hi guys its the weekend again :eusa_dance:

Well i thought id put up a couple of pics .

I ve been asked for me to build a Miglia speedster for a nice german customer Thomas , i thought before i left work tonight id show how easy it is to fit the body, I had taken me less than an hour from bolting frame down and placing body on .:icon_cool:

The other thing that was asked about , i think mr Towed was how much engine space you had, well this should help. No extra bulges or blisters . This is a 1500 spitfire with the twin carb. Plenty of room for six pot and v8 too.:peace:



http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll115/mikefto/Germankit019.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll115/mikefto/Germankit016.jpg

[tlrtone]

Ooh. Nice. Another twin humper.

Don't think I'm racing you Mike as I'm only doing mine in the evenings

I might come down for a nosey then soon to get some ideas.

[davecymru]

Nice! Do say hello to the mad German from me the next time you see him :)

[tlrtone]

Nice! Do say hello to the mad German from me the next time you see him :)

Do they call him Micha? :tape:

[mikmiglia]

Nice! Do say hello to the mad German from me the next time you see him :)

He loves your old sammio by the way dave:icon_cool:

[mikmiglia]

This is the styling of roof that i am developing, nice and low . .Also a removable hardtop .. Tony that s the colour your looking for mate.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll115/mikefto/800px-1954_Maserati_A6GCS_Berlinetta.jpg

[tlrtone]

Spot on mike

What colour/car is that?

Nice roof by the way, put me down for one!

[mikmiglia]

I will look into colour tommorow. Alloy screen fitted now and fits perfect :yo:
Just think you could drive your car in the rain too :decision:

[tlrtone]

Mike the car is a Maserati Berlinetta 1954 so I will check on the colour! Nice blue and probably the one I will go for. Very period looking. :yo:


Anyway, small update as I managed to get some time in between the rain showers this weekend to strip the chassis down, clean it up and get a first coat of chassis black on it in the back garden!

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-03-17 - Chassis/2013-03-17%2017.06.54.jpg

The bits stripped off the chassis were dunked in the parts washer, dried off, and then given a coat of chassis black too. A feeling of deja vu as it was about this time last year I had the same picture for the chassis of my sammio spyder!

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-03-17 - Chassis/2013-03-17 17.08.47.jpg

So a productive weekend and I am going to to try and get a rolling chassis back together next weekend, with the engine and gearbox in. :flame:

more pics on my build site... www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk (http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk)

[mikmiglia]

No pics me old mate ? :israel:

[tlrtone]

No pics me old mate ? :israel:

sorry, I renamed the folders on my website an dit lost the links!

doh! :icon_frown:

[tlrtone]

Not a lot to update this week.

The weather has been rubbish as we all know, :smow: and so i have been painting all the chassis bits'n'bobs inside this week.

Just the swing spring left now, which I will do tomorrow, and then that's everything pretty much painted and ready to reassemble next weekend.
:eusa_dance:

I will need to order some bits and pieces like brake pads & shoes and the fitting kits this week so I will have them for next weekend. As it is easter, I am aiming to get the chassis rolling, the frame attached and the wiring in. Oh and the pedal assembly/servo mounted.


I did pick up my wheels today. I bought six 15" wires off ebay for £100, and sent four away for blasting and powder coating.

This is the before...

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I went for the standard silver wheels this time - my last Sammio had black wires. So this is what they are like now... At £35 per wheel, I thought that was a good deal.

836

[Mister Towed]

wheels look fab. Do they fit the MG splined hubs?

[tlrtone]

wheels look fab. Do they fit the MG splined hubs?

Yep, they fit the longer adaptors.

I will get them from MWS in Slough as they are just round the corner from my office.

[mikmiglia]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll115/mikefto/1954MaseratiA6GCSBerlinetta-red-fVrmx.jpg

What about this colour , yummy

[tlrtone]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll115/mikefto/1954MaseratiA6GCSBerlinetta-red-fVrmx.jpg

What about this colour , yummy


Have you got the RAL number for the gel coat then

I do like that.

[mikmiglia]

yes i can match , let me know when you have made a decision.

[tlrtone]

Yep let's go red.

[Nike55]

Fabulous.

[Paul L]

Yep let's go red.
Sounds like your kit will be under construction soon. :cool:

Good luck, Paul. :)

[tlrtone]

Sounds like your kit will be under construction soon. :cool:

Good luck, Paul. :)


Yes I have delayed my kit as I have no space at home on the drive at the moment.

I am hoping to get the frame home for next weekend so I can get the rolling chassis done, Engine in and the wiring sorted!

Another bonus with delay is that I have agreed with Mike that I will have my body in gel coat coloured so I don't have to paint it straight away.

[tlrtone]

Lovely weather today to build up my chassis. :high5:

Hopefully built and rolling by tonight. Will post pics later. :yo:

[phil9]

snowing up in norfolk ..be nice to see pic's good job

[Mister Towed]

snowing up in norfolk ..be nice to see pic's good job

That's funny, I'm only 8 miles away and it isn't snowing here yet. Bloody weather...

Looking forward to seeing your Miglia coming together Tone, when's your target date for roadworthyness?

[Psycho pops]

Cold but a beautiful clear day here on the coast, lets see what I can get done, a hundred and one jobs started but none finished. The interior is taking a lot of time but dashboard is coming along. just want to get some paint on but patience persists.
Pops

[tlrtone]

no snow here in the south! :wink:
was quite warm in the sunshine but then it got cloudy and cold!

Got the rear end together.....

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-03-29%20-%20Build%20up/2013-03-29%2012.41.51.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-03-29%20-%20Build%20up/2013-03-29%2012.42.05.jpg


As you can see I have put a swing spring in and I haven't got my lowering block yet, so that will go in next week. I am going for a 1" block as that was my sammio was with 15" wheels. May need to go more, but I will wait and see. It is relatively easy to get to when it is built up anyway (my sammio took about 4 attempts to get the ride height sorted!)

Anyway, one thing to remember if you are going to convert to a Swing Spring and that is to block up the 2 holes that are not used in the diff as the Swing spring only has 4 bolts and not 6.

I used a standard bolt which I crimped the thread a bit with a hammer. this causes a friction fit with no chance of it undoing and dropping into the diff!

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-03-29%20-%20Build%20up/2013-03-29%2011.54.38.jpg


Wind the bolts in and then hacksaw off the head flush with the diff casing.....


http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-03-29%20-%20Build%20up/2013-03-29%2011.57.28.jpg


And viola - two blocked holes! :rockon:

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-03-29%20-%20Build%20up/2013-03-29%2011.57.55.jpg


I did get the front end on as well but forgot to take pictures so I will take some tomorrow!

I have come in now as I am going out to the pub later. :smokin:



Hope to get the brakes and steering rack on tomorrow, and then the brake pipes and fuel pipe on.

[tlrtone]

Oh yes, Mr T. I am hoping for a May finish - stoneleigh if I can, but I a have just picked up a few jobs in April that will take up some of the spare time, but will earn some more money for bits and bobs!

End of May is a definite! Ready for a scorching summer !! :pound:

[Psycho pops]

Mmmmm did I block my holes or not? cant remember now.

[tlrtone]

A little further today, just had a couple of hours before I had some other stuff to do, so I finished off the front end...


http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-03-29%20-%20Build%20up/2013-03-30%2012.59.53.jpg


http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-03-29%20-%20Build%20up/2013-03-30%2013.00.01.jpg

Got the rear brakes to sort tomorrow morning and then it will be rolling! :eusa_dance:

It's got the standard wheels on at the moment as I need to get tyres and adapters for the wires..

Brake pipes and fuel pipe on Monday, along with the engine and gearbox I hope.

I will aim to get the frame on during next week....:pray2:

[Paul L]

Are you finding things easier second time around?

It does look like it is all coming together nicely. :cool:

Good luck, Paul. :)

[tlrtone]

This is my third herald chassis Paul, so yes it is easier.

Mind you I have been painting stuff for a week or so, so the build is pretty straightforward with new and clean painted bits.

Really want to get the frame on so I can sort the wiring and get the fuel tank in.
Need to sort out the seat and belt mountings and handbrake etc.

On a roll now so while the motivation is still here..........

[Viatron]

So I'm guessing that since my diff only had 4 holes it must be off a late spitfire or a gt6?

[tlrtone]

So I'm guessing that since my diff only had 4 holes it must be off a late spitfire or a gt6?

I think anything after '74 had the swing spring as it was made into the standard fitment, so later spits and GT6 would definitely have the four bolt as standard.

The bolts go right through, so if you have the earlier one, the two unused bolt holes act like vents and whilst don't p*ss the diff oil out entirely, will weep a bit and throw some all over the underneath of the car! :dizzy:

[Psycho pops]

I wonder if I slacken of the bolts and squeeze some hylomar blue between the lowering block and diff if that will seal any chance of weeping? cant say I would look forward to accessing the rest of it now all is in place..

[Viatron]

Or just top up the diff every couple of months and smile, safe in the knowledge the rear of your chassis will never ever rot again:-)

[mikmiglia]

Nice work tony, ill get you your floor pans so you can fit prior frame and body.

[tlrtone]

Post-Easter update......

I managed to get to where I wanted to be - with a rolling chassis..... :flame:

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-03-29%20-%20Build%20up/2013-04-01%2019.28.25.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-03-29%20-%20Build%20up/2013-04-01%2019.28.38.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-03-29%20-%20Build%20up/2013-04-01%2019.28.45.jpg


If things had gone to plan I may have had the engine and gearbox in, but I was scuppered when I found the clutch wouldn't fit! :ballchain:

The issue was that I am using an MG Midget 1500 engine which has a larger diameter clutch - 7.25" as opposed to the 6.5" on the Herald 1300.
I ordered up the 3-piece clutch kit for the engine only to find out that the centre plate won't fit as it has 20 splines instead of 10. :ranger:

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-03-29%20-%20Build%20up/2013-04-02%2009.00.09.jpg

So some internet searching came up with Rimmers who do a 7.25" centre plate with the 10 spline Herald gearbox centre, so that has now been ordered. Hopefully I will be able to get the engine and box in next weekend, along with the propshaft that I ordered from Spitz Bitz.

Next up with Floorpans, frame, wiring and then I can get onto the body and interior! :biggrin:

[Paul L]

It does seem to be coming together nicely (& quickly). :cool:

Despite you giving me the link to your bulkhead photos, I forgot about your Herald restoration. :rolleyes:

I hope you are getting some bulk buying discount from your Triumph spares supplier!

Good luck, Paul. :)

[tlrtone]

Mike turned up with my frame tonight, so I had a chance to quickly try it on for size....

This is a new frame as the one I modified became the standard and was sold as part of another kit! I was happy with that as i wasn't ready at the time anyway.

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-04-07%20-%20Frame/2013-04-06%2016.17.21.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-04-07%20-%20Frame/2013-04-06%2016.17.57.jpg

Luckily (?) all the bolt holes lined up apart from the front two, which need a little bit of persuasion from a hammer...

The rear now comes with the petrol tank mount behind the spring, and for transport, it doesn't have the cut out for the petrol filler, so this was the first job to be done...

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-04-07%20-%20Frame/2013-04-06%2016.17.30.jpg


I purposely asked Mike not to paint the frame as I needed to modify the front end to fit the BMW e30 pedal assembly and servo unit.

After some major scratching of the head and so trial fitmets and cutting of the frame, I eventually ended up with a position that was suitable. However, it needed the steering column to go through the middle of the pedals. At the moment it is all a bt tight, although I think with some welding and modification, the pedal assembly will fit nicely around the column position.

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-04-07%20-%20Frame/2013-04-06%2017.31.29.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-04-07%20-%20Frame/2013-04-06%2017.34.08.jpg


I will make the necessary modifications tomorrow and post up some new pictures :eusa_dance:

[tlrtone]

Oh, and the engine is all ready to go in now I have the right clutch centre!

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-04-07%20-%20Frame/2013-04-05-09.gif

[mikmiglia]

So is it engine in today Tony ? The weathers perfect go for it.:thumb:

[tlrtone]

Didn't get the engine in :tsk:

However, I was pleased with progress as I got the pedals and servo mounted and moving freely. Also made up the mounting for the handbrake.

I needed a bit more clearance around the steering column, so I ground out the welds on the clutch pedal and mater cylinder lever, and moved them apart by about 15mm.

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-04-07%20-%20Frame/2013-04-07%2010.12.31.jpg

The steering column I had was out of a Spitfire so had the bracket for a steering lock.. that had to go too....

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-04-07%20-%20Frame/2013-04-07%2010.18.21.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-04-07%20-%20Frame/2013-04-07%2010.24.32.jpg

so that gave me plenty of clearance for the steering column...

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-04-07%20-%20Frame/2013-04-07%2010.35.23.jpg


The BMW e30 has a remote servo that is mounted in the passenger side and connects with a push rod. so with a bit of playing around with the positioning so it operates freely and clears the wheels, I welded the bracket in as part of the frame.

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-04-07%20-%20Frame/2013-04-07%2019.27.32.jpg


The frame still needs a bit of tidying up with a bit more to cut out and modify to get it looking nice, but it all works and with some adjustment (cutting and welding) of the pedal positions, it should all be fine. :lie:

It is worth noting that Mike's Miglia Speedster kit has a heavy duty bracket normally welded into the frame for the standard triumph brake and clutch master cylinders etc, and all this work I am doing it extra as I wanted to try something different!


I also made up a recess in the centre tunnel for the handbrake. I am making the tunnel higher in this car, so it feels more sporty :whistle: but I didn't want the handbrake to be too high.

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-04-07%20-%20Frame/2013-04-07%2019.27.53.jpg

So a good weekend's fetling and engineering,with just the tidying up left to do on the frame now. You get a fibreglass bulkhead with this kit, so I am going to have to modify that to fit around my new pedal mounts, but fibreglass it a little easier to adjust so I am hoping that part goes smoothly (or stickily!)

Anyway, next weekend is engine in and floors in, get the wiring sorted and brakes pipes and fuel pipes all connected....in my dreams at least! :doh:

[Mister Towed]

Your build's coming along nicely 'Tone.

What's the reason for going with the BMW pedals in place of the Spit ones, is it just because you can?

Your taller prop tunnel with recessed handbrake is interesting. It really shows the versatility of the concept - you want a snug fitting cockpit so you're making a tall tunnel, I wanted more elbow room and wider seats so I made a very low one.

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z371/dmonebillion/007-14.jpg

Vive la difference!

[garyh]

Loving the build, interesting to see people making stuff to suit. The engine looks great.

[tlrtone]

Mr T, I wanted a servo on this one and the complete pedal assembly with servo, clutch master cylinder etc, was only £65. I am also thinking the modern pedals may improve the drive-ability! :lol:

Also, as you say - because I can. :amen:

Like a lot of us on here, I enjoy an engineering challenge, and at least we can now say it can be done! Mind you I am going to reserve judgement until I get the engine in and it all running - moon-rover stylee - so I can test it all. I will do it all before the body goes on in case I need to change it all back to standard! :dizzy:



I got back my modified gear extension. It is mammoth! :jaw:


The seating position is further back and so Mike does a simple extension kit on an exchange basis. It is a machined billet of aluminium and a dowelled and welded rod. I wasn't expecting this though.....


http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-04-08%20-%20Gearshift/2013-04-08%2020.00.33.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-04-08%20-%20Gearshift/2013-04-08%2020.01.03.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-04-08%20-%20Gearshift/2013-04-08%2020.01.12.jpg

It extends the gear linkage by 400mm.

I think I may have to add a couple of rubber mounts for it when it is fitted up!

[Viatron]

bloomin heck! thats loooooonnnnggggg will be interesting to see how good the gearshift is

[froggyman]

Ideal for back seat drivers!!!!! LOL.

Build coming along great guns. Brake setup looks good.

[tlrtone]

bloomin heck! thats loooooonnnnggggg will be interesting to see how good the gearshift is

Theoretically, it should be no different. The standard gearbox is remote, so this is just a longer remote!

The spartan kits have a similar tried and tested extension so I am hoping it will all be okay! fingers crossed.

[seanick]

Same sort if extension on me Burlington Arrow, but longer. Works fine. The stick end is chassis supported though. I recommend a new set of bushes in the gearstick too. Its a lovely shift when its all good.

[tlrtone]

Things have been pretty slow for the last month, as I have been busy elsewhere, so the Miglia took a bit of a rest.

However, today I did manage to get the engine in!

Did it the old fashioned way, with a bit of rope and a long bit of 4x2 :icon_biggrin:

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-05-06%20-%20Engine%20In/2013-05-06%2012.58.43.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-05-06%20-%20Engine%20In/2013-05-06%2012.58.37.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-05-06%20-%20Engine%20In/2013-05-06%2012.59.00.jpg

So now that is in I can crack on with getting the wiring sorted and get the engine running.

Even the secondhand propshaft was the right one and fitted - just got to paint it up now.

I have got a sports exhaust header and a reconditioned set of carbs to go on as well - the last month has been a month of collectign all the bits left to get so I can hopefully just get on an finish it! :party:

[mikmiglia]

Good on ya mate, i take it you been busy then :eusa_wall:

[Mister Towed]

Coming together nicely now, keep up the good work. :rockon:

[CarNoob]

Another great build. Seeing your Sammior on ebay and then reading your build diary inspired me to build my own. So thanks for the inspiratiion :eusa_clap:

[tlrtone]

no update for a while as I have been out enjoying a new motorbike and I started a new job so been busy!

but here are a few pics of some progress - more on www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk if you are interested...

I had to 'adjust' the linkage to the servo - so a chamfer on the gear extension and a bend in the rod with my knee managed to sort that!

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-06-01%20-%20Brake%20Servo/2013-06-01%2010.31.11.jpg


Played around with a lowered floorpan and found my seats were slightly too wide. I have now narrowed them by 20mm and they will fit fine. I am going for the Landrover seats again as they were very comfy in the Sammio Spyder. The backs will hinge forward to access the luggage area and with any luck I won't need to make them any shorter like I had to with the Sammio Spyder.

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-06-16%20-%20Floor%20trial/2013-06-16%2017.19.13.jpg

Got my wire wheels (ebay purchase) shot blasted and powder coated silver so they went from this:

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-06%20-%20Wheels/2013-03-23%2015.59.05a.jpg

to this....

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-06%20-%20Wheels/2013-03-23%2015.59.35.jpg

and they look very nice on the chassis....

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-06%20-%20Wheels/2013-07-06%2012.25.00.jpg

It did mean that I had to modify the steering rack so I could limit the lock to avoid the bigger wheels and tyres hitting on the front outrigger. A 25mm sleeve was fashioned and welded to either end of the rack..

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-06%20-%20Wheels/2013-07-06%2011.02.41.jpg

This still gives plenty of steering lock but does not touch now...

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-06%20-%20Wheels/2013-07-06%2012.25.25.jpg

Then I made up the floorpans for the front as well, and they all fitted quite well...

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-13%20-%20Floorpans/20130712_134837.jpg

And with the frame placed on it, it is starting to look like a car...

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-13%20-%20Floorpans/20130712_135117.jpg


So not a huge amount of progress, but I am going to try and get things moving now, so I can try and enjoy what is left of the summer! :eusa_think:

Next up is a modified exhaust for which I will make up my own and use an 'end-can' from a motorbike. I have several lying around from bike projects so wondered what it would sound like!

[mikmiglia]

Hi Tony, looking good mate, the pans work real well. I will pop in next week .
Keep up the good work.

[Mister Towed]

Wires have come up lovely. Are they 14's or 15's?

[tlrtone]

Wires have come up lovely. Are they 14's or 15's?

15's with 186/65 tyres.

Was going to go with black again, but do like the look of the silver wires.

Still debating on the final colour of the bodywork :confused:

[tlrtone]

Here's a comparison...

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/images/wheels.jpg

[Mister Towed]

Still debating on the final colour of the bodywork :confused:

Haven't seen a black one yet. Or broom yellow, although I think Pat was planning to do skippy in yellow.

Whatever colour you go with, I'm sure it'll look great (just don't bother with beige, of course :icon_eek: ).

[mikmiglia]

Funny you say that towed , the next one i have got to build is going to be black. Make a nice change for me :icon_surprised:

[Mister Towed]

Funny you say that towed , the next one i have got to build is going to be black. Make a nice change for me :icon_surprised:

Nice. I like black, it was on my own shortlist.

[mikmiglia]

Well at least you went for silver , also a nice colour.
The car is having a tuned 2500 straight six , so should move on well .

[Mister Towed]

Well at least you went for silver , also a nice colour.
The car is having a tuned 2500 straight six , so should move on well .

Sounds good, and I'm sure it'll sound pretty good too. :)

I'm pleased with the silver cellulose from Jawel, couldn't have been easier to use.

I've now bought myself a random orbital polishing machine and have started going over it with G3 and distilled water, followed by G10 then liquid polish which is really giving it a mirror finish.

My car's currently laid up waiting for some new front suspension parts to arrive before I put the engine back in while I'm laid up with an old back injury that's come back to haunt me :( Oh well, at least it looks like we're getting a proper summer at last.

[mikmiglia]

Well at least you can say you built and painted yourself. Just watch over polishing on all rounded surfaces :smile:

[The 1958 Rocker]

Towed, is that for polishing "random" bits of the car then. If you need help or a crane, I'm here in Naaaarwich!!!!
Simon

[tlrtone]

had a good weekend on the car and managed to get quite a few little bits done so it is starting to take shape.

The seats I am using should fit - just got to make up the hinge mountings for the back seats now.

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-20%20-%20Storage%20Box/2013-07-21%2018.52.32.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-20%20-%20Storage%20Box/2013-07-21%2018.52.53.jpg


http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-20%20-%20Storage%20Box/2013-07-21%2018.53.04.jpg


http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-20%20-%20Storage%20Box/2013-07-21%2018.53.49.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-20%20-%20Storage%20Box/2013-07-21%2018.54.42.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-20%20-%20Storage%20Box/2013-07-21%2018.54.29.jpg


More pics on my website (http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/build.asp?Page=1&ShowSub=2013-07-20%20-%20Storage%20Box)...

[garyh]

I wonder what the exhaust will sound like? Looking very smart, what colour is this car going to be and are you spraying it again...

[patoune]

Very nice work!
:thumb:

[tlrtone]

I wonder what the exhaust will sound like? Looking very smart, what colour is this car going to be and are you spraying it again...


I have ordered up the rest of the tubing to make up my own custom exhaust, so hopefully in the next week or so I want to get it wired up and running! :pray2:

I am still debating on the colour, and might be swaying to a blue this time. I would like to spray it myself, but not sure the missus will put up with the circus tent again! :moony:

I think I have nearly everything to finish the car now, so hopefully can crack on over the next few weeks. I would like to try and get it inspected and changed by the end of August and then on the road in September. That's the plan anyway!

[mikmiglia]

Looking good Tony, i must pop in and have a look . Seats look good:high5:

[garyh]

Now the bodywork is of a must higher standard than before, you can tell the wife it will be done in a weekend?

[tlrtone]

Update for this weekend...

Got the radiator and fans mounted.

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-28%20-%20Radiator/2013-07-27%2015.11.33.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-28%20-%20Radiator/2013-07-27%2015.12.05.jpg


Made up a new exhaust header and link pipe and a flange for mounting the motorbike silencer I am using

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-28%20-%20Radiator/2013-07-28%2014.27.37.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-28%20-%20Radiator/2013-07-28%2014.27.54.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-28%20-%20Radiator/2013-07-28%2014.28.02.jpg


I also started to make up a new bulkhead - since I am using a non-standard pedal assembly and servo it is going to be impossible to use the bulkhead Mike supplies as part of his kit, so I am going to make up a vertical bulkhead.

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-28%20-%20Radiator/2013-07-27%2015.12.20.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-28%20-%20Radiator/2013-07-27%2015.12.49.jpg

I did get a lot of little jobs done, like the servo hose, breather hoses, fuel pipes and I got the brakes and clutch bled too.

Once I have painted all the brackets and metalwork I will start to plumb in the engine for good, and I am hoping that if I can doing the wiring next weekend, then I might be able to get it started next sunday. I can then hear what the exhaust sounds like!

[zèbre69]

Good job, congratulations !

[rattler]

hi tony looking good did the 4 branch e/manifold not fit or you changed your mind . the sammio is almost finished pic n/w I hope.went to a g/prix the w/e all pre/1940 cars brill .will try and enter the lomax next year .still trying to organize getting the miglia to france looks like 1 week in sept dave r france

[davecymru]

Looking good matey, although from my recent experiences with my cooling system, I'm a bit concerned that your fans aren't right next to your rad.

Sorry, but I've been a bit cooling ocd of late :)

[tlrtone]

Looking good matey, although from my recent experiences with my cooling system, I'm a bit concerned that your fans aren't right next to your rad.

Sorry, but I've been a bit cooling ocd of late :)

Dave

I think with two fans I should be fine although Iwill be adding some ducting before the body goes on.

[rattler]

some pics bressuire gp

http://i1363.photobucket.com/albums/r707/rattler33/IMG_6734_zps9b610d03.jpg (http://s1363.photobucket.com/user/rattler33/media/IMG_6734_zps9b610d03.jpg.html)
dave r

[rattler]

http://i1363.photobucket.com/albums/r707/rattler33/IMG_6822_zpscfa85709.jpg (http://s1363.photobucket.com/user/rattler33/media/IMG_6822_zpscfa85709.jpg.html)

http://i1363.photobucket.com/albums/r707/rattler33/IMG_6944_zpsbdce2790.jpg (http://s1363.photobucket.com/user/rattler33/media/IMG_6944_zpsbdce2790.jpg.html)

http://i1363.photobucket.com/albums/r707/rattler33/IMG_6822_zpsfe156477.jpg (http://s1363.photobucket.com/user/rattler33/media/IMG_6822_zpsfe156477.jpg.html)

who needs suspension ?!!

just some practice photos

[rattler]

still practising

http://i1363.photobucket.com/albums/r707/rattler33/IMG_6980_zps669e10de.jpg (http://s1363.photobucket.com/user/rattler33/media/IMG_6980_zps669e10de.jpg.html)
dave r

[rattler]

my lomax
http://i1363.photobucket.com/albums/r707/rattler33/IMG_6971_zpse79a3214.jpg (http://s1363.photobucket.com/user/rattler33/media/IMG_6971_zpse79a3214.jpg.html)
I bet ive forgot by tomorrow dave r

[rattler]

guess the what the blue car is:thumb:

[garyh]

More pics of the Blue one please.

[rattler]

sorry that's all I have dave r

[tlrtone]

looks good Dave, the Sammio looks impressive on the racetrack!

Bet you can't wait to get your Miglia on the road now!

[rattler]

sorry triton hijacked your thread :focus: old age ? dave r

[rattler]

hi t trying to rent atrailer bl//dy nightmare but will get there in the end sammio finished just anew fuel line.can you get your f/tank out with the body on ?

[tlrtone]

hi t trying to rent atrailer bl//dy nightmare but will get there in the end sammio finished just anew fuel line.can you get your f/tank out with the body on ?

Yep, it is at the rear of the axle, so unbolts and comes out the bottom. The fuel gauge is facing rearwards too so easy to get to.

:thumb:

[rattler]

hi t seen tanks on e/b but they wont post s/triumph haven't got one so hope one comes up local dave r

[mikmiglia]

Hi Dave your car is finished and i have taken it to the other unit for you.

Also i have repaired a couple areas that needed welding for you mate. On the house. :thumb:

I remember building that blue car, looks good dave. Your lomax also looks nice , need an extra wheel mate..:focus:

[rattler]

as the old song goes three wheels on my wagon im just rolling along:eusa_clap: .thank you for all help see you in sept bonnie will see you today.when are you getting hitched.thanks again dave r

[tlrtone]

Weekend update.....


Got hold of a Spitfire MKIV heater matrix and fan and made up a mounting for it. It is a lot slimmer than the Herald one and so I don't need to cut it up or modify it.

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-08-04%20-%20panelling/2013-08-02%2019.28.06.jpg

Started to panel out the bulkhead and centre tunnel - the front parts will be removable so I can get to the clutch slave cylinder and propshaft bolts in the future.

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-08-04%20-%20panelling/2013-08-02%2019.28.18.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-08-04%20-%20panelling/2013-08-02%2019.28.37.jpg

Then took it all apart and resin and painted all the panels and frame...

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-08-04%20-%20panelling/2013-08-03%2016.23.06.jpg


Then plumbed in all the engine with the radiator and header tank mounted. The header is out of 1600 Vitesse and looks period. I had one in my Sammio Spyder and this one I managed to grab on ebay.

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-08-04%20-%20panelling/2013-08-04%2017.40.02.jpg

Made up the hinge point for the seats so I could get the seating position right and it is very comfortable. Even the pedals and gearstick are in the right position!

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-08-04%20-%20panelling/2013-08-04%2017.40.24.jpg


Got hold of some 50mm diameter nylon and got a friend of mine to turn me up a rather nice roller throttle pedal .... it's a bit different and reminds me of some VW Beetles I had where I put a skateboard wheel on as a throttle pedal.

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-08-04%20-%20panelling/2013-08-04%2017.41.02.jpg


So a bit more progress made. :thumb:

Should be getting my body next week so I will do a trial fit and then if everything is okay I will start to get the wiring in and get the engine running!

[mikmiglia]

Looking a top job Tony.
It is always nice to make the effort at this stage i think.

I like the header tank , i think its nice to use period items on your build as it can
still confuse the general public on the cars origins and keep them guessing.

Keep up the great work mate.
:thumb:

[moorezy]

Shes looking well now.

[rattler]

nice work T pic my car up in sept I will have ajob to catch you up but where you go I will follow sold the lomax to day only addvertisd for 6 hours 3 guys fighting for it so nice slush fund for the miglia happy days/////dave r:badgrin:

[Paul L]

Tony - It looks like you are well on your way to building another very nice car. :cool:

Hope the trial fit of the bodywork goes well.

Cheers, Paul. :)

[oxford1360]

I really like the penultimate pic. It looks ready to go. Nice job.

[Mister Towed]

Agree with comments above, black chassis and frame looks classy.

Moon rover stage looks good to go!

[slartibartfast]

Looking bl**dy gorgeous. Getting lots of ideas for my Spyder build.
Keep it up.
Slarti

[rattler]

hi tony could you give me the meurment of the floor pan the rear one width and length +/_ 5 m/m sorry to be a pain going to make my seats this week thay may end up in the skip ta dave r

[1iTim]

i'd also be interested in those measurements, and also whether the "drop" at the rear takes the low bit lower than the bottom of the centre chassis rail, and if so by how much?

[tlrtone]

As if by magic, you can download the drawings for the floorpans from

http://www.migliasportscars.co.uk/downloads/migliafloorpans-fullset.pdf

:thumb:

[tlrtone]

And this is what the rear ones look like in situ...

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-07-13%20-%20Floorpans/20130712_134934.jpg

[rattler]

hi T ta for info dave r

[1iTim]

hi T ta for info dave r
X2

[zèbre69]

Good job, congratulations !

[tlrtone]

The body arrived today...

Fits well, after cutting the slots for the rear outriggers and steering column. even the wheel arches seemed to line up.


http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-09-02%20-%20Body%20arrives/1.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-09-02%20-%20Body%20arrives/2.jpg

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/2013-09-02%20-%20Body%20arrives/3.jpg


but... my eagerness to get things done before the body arrived may have backfired a little as the battery access is now non-existent and the steering column needs to be about 50mm longer :twitch:

Anyway, I will have a go at some of these bits over the next few days, and hopefully if the weather stays dry at the weekend, I might get it all bonded on! :icon_mrgreen:

[rattler]

I am envious have you cut the front springs looking really good dave r:amen:

[christinedmc]

Wow, it's a beast already. I like how the wheel fill up the arches. Agresive nose. I like it.

Michiel

[tlrtone]

I am envious have you cut the front springs looking really good dave r:amen:

yes, I cut the front springs down by 70mm and not lowered the rear at all yet. I might get the 25mm lowering block for the rear - that should be enough..

T

[zèbre69]

I'm fond of the Miglia body, maybe for another project because I've to finish first my SAMMIO CHEVAUX !

Your built is very well done congratulations, don't hesitate to put pictures all over the construction witch help others builders !

[davecymru]

"seemed to line up" i'm sorry, that confuses me! ;)

[slartibartfast]

Tony. You say you cut the springs ... ? not got round to that on my Sammio build yet, but was thinking of getting early Spitfire ones ..... is there any particular advantage in just cutting ...must have to be pretty acurate ... intrigued. let me know
BTW ... phoned your brother this evening & will drop the hub puller back soon. Hope we can meet up for a beer.
Slarti

[mikmiglia]

Glad it fits . no reason why not looking good .. Keep up the great work..:tea:

[Paul L]

"seemed to line up" i'm sorry, that confuses me! ;)
+1 :icon_wink:

Jokes aside, it really looks good. :cool:

Good luck with the rest of the build, Paul. :)

[ikon246]

hi have been looking at your biuld very nice it is.....i was interested about your brake pedal and servo choice? bmw? how did you find it?is it a 3 series bm? would you mind if i used it????
thanks nice job ikon 246
clive

[tlrtone]

hi have been looking at your biuld very nice it is.....i was interested about your brake pedal and servo choice? bmw? how did you find it?is it a 3 series bm? would you mind if i used it????
thanks nice job ikon 246
clive

Clive, it was by chance really.
I ordered a catalogue from Car builder Solutions and then looked at their website. This is where I got the BMW E30 pedal idea from - this article to be exact: http://www.p4replica.co.uk/2012/10/cockpit-layout-23-october-2012.html

Takes a bit of fiddling, but it should give a modern feel to brakes as well as the added safety of dual circuit brake lines. I stress "should" as I have yet to start the engine and try it on the road, so I am hoping all should be okay. If anything the servo may be too big, in which case a Peugeot 207 fits I am told!

Copy away, that's what these forums are for! :amen:

[ikon246]

thanks i will look in interest as to wether it works ?i like your build would i rite in thinking this is your secound one?i have built many cars but not one of theese,thanks for the link clive ikon 246

[tlrtone]

thanks i will look in interest as to wether it works ?i like your build would i rite in thinking this is your secound one?i have built many cars but not one of theese,thanks for the link clive ikon 246


I built a Sammio Spyder first time. http://www.mysammiospyder.co.uk

Now on a Miglia Speedster http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk

I've definitely got the bug!

[christinedmc]

Hi Tony,

Looked at your website. Beautiful build!

Michiel :yo:

[tlrtone]

Hi Tony,

Looked at your website. Beautiful build!

Michiel :yo:

Thanks Michiel, I have been following your thread too and your build is looking very smart too!

We all approach things slightly differently and that is what I enjoy about these cars - anything goes! :icon_cool:

[The Shadow]

your build is coming together very well mushty. I am living not to far from you and would love to see the car sometime if possable
I have seen a few sammios going together as I was a regular visitor to our glorius founders shop before it went north and I have seen the germam mig going together but would really like to see another example .
as you said the great thing about these cars and how they were created is the versatilitty of the kit .

[ikon246]

hi tony
wow your a busy chap,would you be able to decide at this point which one of the builds you prefer? easy not easy ect,i know none of this ca be described as easy but you know what i mean, i have an idea to do the migia,but also have a sammio body...............yhoughts please
ikon242

[redratbike]

hi tony
wow your a busy chap,would you be able to decide at this point which one of the builds you prefer? easy not easy ect,i know none of this ca be described as easy but you know what i mean, i have an idea to do the migia,but also have a sammio body...............thoughts please
ikon242

the miglia far outstrips the original sammio for quality in all areas...layup,fit etc just by looking at the pics

as does the new ribble/pilot by the look of things

if yours is an original sammio read all the build threads for all the fun in obtaining a near symetrical body

[Mister Towed]

the miglia far outstrips the original sammio for quality in all areas...layup,fit etc just by looking at the pics

as does the new ribble/pilot by the look of things

if yours is an original sammio read all the build threads for all the fun in obtaining a near symetrical body

I don't disagree with the raising of the quality with the latest packages from Miglia and Ribble.

I have an original Sammio body though, the quality of the moulding wasn't great, the shell isn't symmetrical, but it was great value for money, I thoroughly enjoyed building it, I love the way it drives and it looks like this -

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag120/smonebillion/003_zps8fee4bbf.jpg (http://s1301.photobucket.com/user/smonebillion/media/003_zps8fee4bbf.jpg.html)

It stops people in their tracks wherever I take it and nobody's ever said 'hang on, that shell's not symmetrical!' As Gary J once pointed out, you never look at both sides at the same time...

If you already have a Sammio shell, why not just build it? You won't regret it :)

[oxford1360]

If you already have a Sammio shell, why not just build it? You won't regret it :)

Couldn't agree more. I'm yet to see a prettier shape......for a car.

[tlrtone]

Shadow, pop by anytime - dave (the rattler) pops in and we have a chin wag over the kits and what we are doing and what we have bought. PM me for my address.

Regarding the Miglia vs Sammio debate, they are both the same really, but here are my initial thoughts - although I do like them both! Again - I can't comment on the Ribble because I haven't built one ------ yet :)

I like the Miglia one piece body rather than the flip front of the Sammio, as I think the longer front end makes it a little more classic in shape.

The Miglia pushes the bulkhead back and uses a fibreglass bulkhead so it makes it a little more challenging to build with gearstick extension and steering column extension, but again the cockpit being further back makes it a bit more sports car like.

Both cars (and the ribble obviously) have to go through the process of bonding the body on and using the Spitfire fuel tank - the Miglia puts the tank behind the rear axle giving you storage space behind the seats, whereas the original Sammio and now Ribble put the tank forwards with the option of a boot space. Either work well and to be honest these cars are more for fun and runs out rather than serious touring (unless you are that way inclined). You can be creative with side pockets (as I did in my Sammio) or build in storage in other areas if you want to.

The Sammio has no doors which means climbing over - but they are so low anyway that this is fun rather than a problem. the doors on the miglia are nice to have but aligning and sorting out hinges and locks is a challenge too.


The beauty of them all is that they are based on a car that is simple with plentiful spares and lots of opportunities to make them your own as you have seen. If you have the Sammio body, then use that. A lot of the issues with the body symmetry are not noticed once you have built the car - no one ever notices.

The second one is always easier and you learn what works and what doesn't, and for this one I am making subtle modifications such as electric radiator fans (blowing on a custom built radiator) and leaving out things like a stereo system - you can't hear anything anyway!

If I were you Ikon, I would build the Sammio to get the experience - sell it and build the next one to keep!

[Mister Towed]

Well said that man. Agree with all of the above - both are pretty cars that will be a challenge/joy to build/own - it's really down to personal taste which one you build. I happen to prefer the flip open bonnet on the Sammio for better access to the engine, which I've already had to remove to get at the clutch, but I can see the attraction of not having to align it on the Miglia.

You pays your money, you takes your choice.

[ikon246]

hi i have been following your build, quire a few good ideas you have..as for the landrover seats.i would guess u used the outer ones? would the centre ones be narrower?to male them narrower by the 20mm u surgested ?would they need to be retrimmed or do u have a plan? im off to meet with mike on tuesday to have a look see.
keep it up good job.
ikon246 clive

[1iTim]

Hi Tlrtone, have you positioned the bulkhead yet? when you do, i'd love to see some pics of where the bulkhead meets the front section of the floor, and how much clearance there is in the pedal section of the lower front floor, i'm wondering if the front section could be done flat, rather than a drop section. Looking forward to the next installment, hope all is well with you.

cheers from oz,

Tim

[tlrtone]

In the next few weeks I promise to get on and do some more on my car and post some pics.

No excuses now, I want to drive it in the hottest summer in history - well that is what they are predicting if the bloody rain stops long enough!


Nice to have our own forum BTW.

[adventuresoftimtim]

Hello, It's been a while since I have seen you post anything, glad you're back and looking forward to seeing where you are up to! :)

[micky1mo]

ikon246, wise words spoken by Mr Towed, tlrtone and oxford1360.
You wouldn't go far wrong if you take their advice :director: .

[davecymru]

In the next few weeks I promise to get on and do some more on my car and post some pics.


<cough>getonwithit</cough> there are some people lurking around here waiting for photos (and to steal ideas, :eusa_angel: )

[tlrtone]

Thanks all, and Dave I will take the covers off next week and see if it is full of water!

[rattler]

hi tony good man rent garage finished in 2 months

[1iTim]

Hey tone hope u r ok, keep chipping away at it!!
Tim

[Mister Towed]

Any progress this year? This one appeared to be steaming along to a fast finish, then nothing since February. Everything ok Tone?

http://www.mymigliaspeedster.co.uk/build/build.asp?ShowSub=2013-09-02%20-%20Body%20arrives

[tlrtone]

Mr T,

I have had a year off in effect, lots of stuff going on that has meant that I decided not even to take the cover off this year.

I have a few weeks off over christmas so I will be sorting the garage so that may give me the motivation to crack on with it!

I will definitely have it on the road for next summer, the engine/chassis are all done and so it needs, the body bonding on and wiring sorted and then just the interior. Hopefully if the weather holds up for Jan/Feb I should get it sorted early next year!

I'll start to drop in the forums a little more over christmas so I can see how things have been since I went away......

T

[Mister Towed]

Glad to hear it's just on hold and not an abandoned project. A bit of spring sunshine should get the motivational juices flowing.

[1iTim]

Good to hear from you tone, your build was my inspiration to start, so keen to see how it ends (and if i get mine on the road first! ;-)

Tim