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Rubber Bushes

11 Jan 2007, 10:05pm
Guys,

I've managed to fubar one of the Marlin supplied bushes trying to press it into one of the top wishbone eyes. It seems to have got stuck on one side, and as the other side slid into place, it's took the metal inner bearing surface with it (torn it away), leaving the other side bulging out.

It's odd, as It was well lubricated with red rubber grease and I used the same method in pressing it in as I did with the diff mount and lower front wishbones - and they seemed to pop in no problem :icon_confused:

Anyhow, I need to press this one out, and get a replacement. Does anyone know where I can get one? I'm guessing I'll pay over the odds for one if I ring Terry...

Ta,

Jason
11 Jan 2007, 10:18pm
Don't ask me how I found this out 'cause I can't remember lol. The first note in my Marlin notebook is "Front suspension bushes are MB9120 Ford Fiesta Lower Suspension Arm"

So - straight out of the Ford parts bin it seems.

Cheers

Robin
11 Jan 2007, 11:37pm
Robin, do you mind if i add that to the FAQ on my site? :)

I've been thinking polyurethane bushes might be nice upgrade wonder if for parts would do for that?
12 Jan 2007, 10:34am
Hang on Patrick... I've googled that part number (MB9120), as the parts department at the local Ford place don't recognise it.

As far as I can tell that's a manufacturer code, and the Ford part number is 1619120 - at least that's what I thought, according to this site:

http://www.webparts.co.uk/Trupart/Buyguide/HTML/MB9120.HTM

But either that's wrong or the Ford parts dept are a bunch of numpties, because they can't find it.

Bah. Never have this problem at the BMW parts counter. :rolleyes: ;)

I'll see how much Terry want for one. It'll probably be easier in the long run.
12 Jan 2007, 10:39am
Hmm in that case I wonder what poly bushes Marlin used on their race car... :)
12 Jan 2007, 11:50am
Dunno - but I do know that Marlin charges £9 each for them... I just got of the phone to Terry, and she's sending me a new rubber one. She didn't know how much they where, but she did know that they're a lot cheaper than the poly's.

And the nice thing is she's sending out today, and is just making a note that I owe them for the bush, and she'll invoice me for it when I order the next stage. :)
12 Jan 2007, 11:59am
I checked on burton power but couldn't see anything suitable, prices seem to be in the £8 - £12 + VAT range.

At £9 per poly = £72 for the whole front end. That's not too bad I guess :)
12 Jan 2007, 12:36pm
Start of a slipery slope though... You'll be wanting poly rollbar blocks next, and then you'll be tearing the back end off and fitting poly's in the trailing arms... :D
12 Jan 2007, 12:51pm
you read my mind :lol: :madgrin:
18 Jan 2007, 11:02am
New bush recieved from Terry earlier in the week. The new one is the same shape as all others (a rounded profile on the top and bottom of the bush). The one that got buggered up was the same shape as the picture in the webparts link.

Any how, got them all pressed in now. It's odd... All of them went in no problem. It was just that different shaped one.

I guess the shape of the others allow you to get the bush more 'square' to the eye when you start to apply the pressure to squeeze it in.
5 Mar 2008, 10:03pm
ahh I knew I looked at this before! :) I guess I didn't get very far. Let us know what the dims are on those if you email them, seems like a cost effective way to stiffen up the front end :)
6 Mar 2008, 8:32am
peterux wrote:
If Robin's info is correct then these should fit Ok


Can't remember where the info came from now - suggest you check it first before spending any hard-earned!

Best

Robin
8 Mar 2008, 1:19pm
peterux wrote:
There are also these listed which are even cheaper............
http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=533_741_748&products_id=5099

If Robin's info is correct then these should fit Ok


In fact these are £6 each, not a pair, so £48 a set +P&P+vat. (I mis-read their web page, doh!)

They look the right size visually, but I have not fitted them yet. I will post another update when fitted.

Peter
8 Mar 2008, 3:13pm
What type did you get the polyrace or the other ones?
8 Mar 2008, 10:30pm
Patrick wrote:
What type the polyrace or the other ones?


The ones I ordered are marked Polysport and are bright yellow. Not the highest quality mouldings, but good value. The yellow ones seem quite soft, so the Polyrace might be better/harder but not sure i'd be able tell the difference when driving? :smile:
8 Mar 2008, 11:11pm
In my (limited) experience you'll feel more of the more vibrations through the wheel and at higher speeds it will feel a tad more solid into the bends, should be more stable under breaking as well as the angles don't change as much. The harder the material the more vibration you'll feel.

I wouldn't use poly bushes on the rear trailing arms for example as it becomes too harsh for road use (in a normal car). I'd use them in if it were for track use. I would guess it would be similar in the Sportster.

If they are harder than the rubber ones, but not completely solid that is probably a good compromise!
21 Mar 2008, 6:05pm
peterux wrote:
In fact these are £6 each, not a pair, so £48 a set +P&P+vat. (I mis-read their web page, doh!)

They look the right size visually, but I have not fitted them yet. I will post another update when fitted.

Peter


Just looked up the price of the Powerflex ones. ( http://www.polyurethanebushes.com/index.php/cPath/166_168 ) Over £39 a pair on this website - gulp. The ones you found look a good value at that rate.

Robin
18 May 2008, 9:02pm
I was moving the car into the garage tonight and was moving it backwards and forwards to get the car in the right position. I was looking at the offside wheel to get the car in the right position. (not much space in my garage).

I was amazed to see how much the mudgaurd moves as the stub axle rotates under braking (from about 3mph!) I could see the mudguard bolts moving up and down about 1cm. The rubber bushes allow the top wishbone to move about and not just up and down.

I think a set of hard'sh polybushes for the top wishbones will be top of my list of upgrades once the car is finished.

Anybody else noticed this?

Peter
18 May 2008, 9:08pm
Yup noticed mine move quite far under braking. I'm looking at changing them out as well. I can see why they no longer wish to supply the rubber ones.

However the powerflex ones they supply are really muchos expensive, especially compared to the set you can get from rally design.
18 May 2008, 9:15pm
I've got the Rally Design Polysports on the lower wishbones. They are bright yellow and quite soft.
I might go for the Polyrace(harder) on the top wishbones. Do you thnik mixing them on the same axle would be a problem?

Peter
18 May 2008, 9:21pm
Don't think so I've got the powerflex ones on the bottom wishbones and rubber at the top, seems to drive and steer fine. I'm wait on costs from a few places on more powerflex ones.