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6 Jan 2014, 2:12pm
Nice, but all those spikes sticking out behind the seat wouldn't pass IVA...



(Yes, I know they're temporary rivets). :)
6 Jan 2014, 2:14pm
Mister Towed wrote:


(Yes, I know they're temporary rivets). :)


But they would make me drive carefully.
6 Jan 2014, 9:10pm
demon tweeks etc sell Kirkey racing seats (v. expensive) so I expect there is a UK distributor.

I saw a thread somewhere of a DIY equivalent that looked great :)
6 Jan 2014, 9:21pm
scimjim wrote:
demon tweeks etc sell Kirkey racing seats (v. expensive) so I expect there is a UK distributor.

I saw a thread somewhere of a DIY equivalent that looked great :)


I made contact with the distributor today and they don't hring in the Vintage.Shame. I have drawings along the lines that you mention for a DIY version. I was looking around for more ideas when I came across the Vintage. I had considered cutting down a pair of Kirkey Intermediates, but taking a grinder to seats at £320 per pair would take a mixture of courage and stupidity.

It's back to making some Sea Fury inspired replicas.
7 Jan 2014, 9:09am
scimjim wrote:
found it http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/154603/fabricated-aluminium-bomber-style-aircraft - I remembered it because he had one of "my" old gazelle seats.


Very nice work and lovely detailing. I guess the Liberator seat came out of a field in Norfolk Viriginia rather than my neck of the woods.

Funnily enough, my other hobby is metal detecting and I have permission to search the site of a WWII airfield within walking distance of my house.

What I'm actually looking for are Viking, Saxon and Norman coins and relics, which the site is littered with (here's the result of eight hours detecting in November) -



- but there's an awful lot of debris from the base too. They operated Stirlings, Lancasters and Mosquitos between 1942 and 1946, losing 170 aircraft on combat and training missions, at least one of which crashed into a church nearby, so there's always the chance that I could unearth some long lost bomber seats. I doubt they'd be in as good condition as the one in the hot rod thread though.

Interesting debate about the use of solid vs pop rivets. In WWII everything would've been made as cheaply and quickly as possible so pop rivets would've been a godsend.

Post war, however, and quality of engineering became paramount again. I was taught reaction bar riveting in week one of 'hacking and bashing' (basic engineering) at RAF Halton, No1 School of Technical Training, in the seventies and the Martin Baker ejection seats I worked on were 90% solid riveted together with pop rivets only used on blind or unstressed panels.

I had intended to make my own seats btw, but the time element eventually killed that idea as I wanted to finish the car this century.

Good luck finding/making some suitable seats.
7 Jan 2014, 9:19am
The item on the left is the bonnet catch from a Saxon Sammio. Those wooden wheels looked great.
7 Jan 2014, 10:10am
Mister Towed wrote:
Very nice work and lovely detailing. I guess the Liberator seat came out of a field in Norfolk Viriginia rather than my neck of the woods.


I'm not sure - the RAF operated Liberatiors from UK though IIRC?
7 Jan 2014, 11:53am
I like those seats a lot. Wish I had seen them before importing my own Ali bucket seats which also came from the states.

Ribble do some similar in GRP and can also get them in aluminium which are lovely but costly also due to shipping.

Scimjim, are/were you a gazelle pilot?
7 Jan 2014, 3:32pm
GazDavies wrote:
Scimjim, are/were you a gazelle pilot?


No - I'm an engineer. (One of my projects was replacing all of the low-back seats with high-backs :smile:)
7 Jan 2014, 4:30pm
scimjim wrote:
No - I'm an engineer. (One of my projects was replacing all of the low-back seats with high-backs :smile:)


Small world -one of my projects was removing all the underwater ejection systems from the Phantom and Buccaneer seats when they came off the Ark Royal.

I guess a background like that predisposes you to madcap ideas like building your own car. :madgrin:
8 Jan 2014, 5:38am
BTW The British did indeed operate the B-24 in B-24E form during WWII from several bases throughout the UK, used for Convoy protection, transport and some limited ASW work as well.
Another Blue Job here Loadmaster 1982 through 1990.
8 Jan 2014, 3:54pm
Viatron wrote:
BTW The British did indeed operate the B-24 in B-24E form during WWII from several bases throughout the UK, used for Convoy protection, transport and some limited ASW work as well.
Another Blue Job here Loadmaster 1982 through 1990.


One of my old squadrons, 206 Squadron operated the Liberator for a couple of years from 1944-46 for coastal command. 206 were based at St Eval in Cornwall before moving to RAF Leuchars during this time.

I remember pictures of them lining the room reserved for standardisation visits up at Kinloss- staring at them for inspiration whilst being asked questions on ASW tactics or suchlike!


(Sorry for the thread creep :plane:)
8 Jan 2014, 4:32pm
oxford1360 wrote:
This is just the sort of conversation that attracted me to this forum! One starts with some Kirkey seats and arrives at RAF Kinloss by way of some Saxon coins. Just to continue the theme, this arrived for me in the post today. An ornament for my office wall.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171203508828?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649


Excellent! One of my old flight engineers got one of these for his Christmas (he's an ex-tornado liney)
8 Jan 2014, 5:50pm
All these blue jobs around! I'll have to keep a low profile, or I'll be ganged up on!
8 Jan 2014, 6:26pm
Scottie22 wrote:
All these blue jobs around! I'll have to keep a low profile, or I'll be ganged up on!


I wore green and drove a tank!!!!:eusa_shifty:
8 Jan 2014, 6:47pm
micky1mo wrote:
I wore green and drove a tank!!!!:eusa_shifty:


Didn't the fish mind? :icon_smile:

I also wore green and although I always loved aircraft and flying I just never fancied becoming a crab to do it.
8 Jan 2014, 7:42pm
Oddly enough I loved flying too, I logged over 500 hours on paragliders!
8 Jan 2014, 8:15pm
micky1mo wrote:
I wore green and drove a tank!!!!:eusa_shifty:


I wore blue and drove a tank - Scimitars and Spartans for EOD reconnaissance.

I felt a bit like Lt Gruber off 'allo 'allo when I was up in the turret roaring through Peterborough and I can understand why the Germans trampled all over Europe in their Panzers - because it was fun!

It was difficult to resist the temptation to constantly throw Nazi salutes at passers by but that was kind of frowned upon. :high5: Sieg Heil!

I never got to drive anything really big though and I've always had a hankering to have a clutch at a main battle tank. Maybe one day... :madgrin:
8 Jan 2014, 8:17pm
Scottie22 wrote:
Oddly enough I loved flying too, I logged over 500 hours on paragliders!


I always fancied having a go at paragliding, its just about the only thing I haven't tried to fly. I have quite a bit of parachute experience and have a commercial pilots licence and a few thousand hours so would be great to combine the two.

This thread really has gone off topic! Nice seats!
8 Jan 2014, 8:20pm
GazDavies wrote:
Didn't the fish mind? :icon_smile:

I also wore green and although I always loved aircraft and flying I just never fancied becoming a crab to do it.


Ha ha! I guess you were a bootneck then?

I wonder how many people will get the link between the crab nickname and the colour of the RAF uniform shirts? Interestingly, pubic lice are now pretty much extinct in the western world...

Oh, and I spent 23 years in the RAF and still hate flying.
8 Jan 2014, 8:22pm
GazDavies wrote:
Didn't the fish mind? :icon_smile:

I also wore green and although I always loved aircraft and flying I just never fancied becoming a crab to do it.


I thought you blokes wore black:painkiller:

I can also vouch for paragliding, it is a cracking way to fly and see the earth and also very peaceful.....much better than parachuting! Although I do strap myself to a parachute everyday I hope I never have to use it!!
8 Jan 2014, 9:54pm
Mister Towed wrote:
Ha ha! I guess you were a bootneck then?


No, although I gave the Marines some serious consideration before joining the Army.

BazMason wrote:
I thought you blokes wore black:painkiller:


I always did look best in a balaclava!