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Sportster Wing Stays

19 Nov 2011, 10:04pm
Having gone through the pain of the tubular wing stays breaking on my Sportster and now finally receiving the new solid replacements from Marlin, I find on a trial fitting today that they have been built wrongly. The clearance at the front is far too big ( between the bracket and the tyre ). Its 6 cm. Plus the clearance at the rear end is practically touching the wheel. It will have to go back with accompanying pics to show the problem.

Has anyone else had to buy replacement wing stays and did they fit ?
19 Nov 2011, 10:43pm
Dennis

Although not answering your question, I came across these photos of the hybrid Cabrio/Sportster, and wondered if the wing fixing might be of interest. It will almost certainly be a Ford front suspension.







20 Nov 2011, 10:12am
Thanks Mike, I think they look more complicated than the one supplied from Marlin. So will stick with the supplied type from Marlin. But I will have to send them back for modification. I would post a pic, but haven't figured out how to attach one to a message yet.
20 Nov 2011, 11:07am
denniswpearce wrote:
I would post a pic, but haven't figured out how to attach one to a message yet.


Dennis

It took several explanations from Patrick to get me able to post pics! And I still forget if it is a long time between posting pics!

Have a look under the thread: M50/52 Engine Installations and go back to January 2009 to follow his advice.

Could we get this advice put on a sticky thread on the Forum for those of us who are "computer challenged!"?

Mike
20 Nov 2011, 12:22pm
Hi Dennis,
the easiest way to display photo's on the forum is to get a Flickr or Photobucket account. (I think they are free up to a certain limit of photo's).
In the meantime, email them to me and I will post them for you.

If your mounting points are fixed or welded to your uprights, then maybe you will have to 'form' the wing stays yourself to suit your wheels?

...peter
20 Nov 2011, 2:06pm
Thanks Peter, I have just looked at and created a Flicker acccount so hopefully the pics will be viewable from this link.
The mounting points are not what I would call fixed, they are moveable up and down the round strut. In fact with everyones advice earlier in the year, I had made the flat plate with its four holes for the two U clamps, fixing that solved my U clamp breaking problem.
The new stays are not a problem where they clamp to the strut, its a problem as can be seen in the pics with the clearance to the wheel.



Hopefully this works
20 Nov 2011, 2:07pm
Oh dear, back to the drawing board
20 Nov 2011, 2:47pm
"http://www.flickr.com/photos/58979370@N08/sets/72157628064390899/"
20 Nov 2011, 10:11pm
denniswpearce wrote:
Oh dear, back to the drawing board


In Flickr....
Click the 'Share' button...
then click the the 'Grab the HTML/BBCode'
then click the 'BBCode' radio button...and select the size you want.
then copy and paste the code in the box into your Madabout message box.

This creates a picture that people can click and go to your Flickr site. You can edit the code to remove the text if you want to after you've pasted it in the Madabout message box.

You can test it works by trying 'Preview Post' in Madabout
21 Nov 2011, 10:54am

DSC00264 by denniswpearce, on Flickr

DSC00265 by denniswpearce, on Flickr

DSC00266 by denniswpearce, on Flickr

DSC00267 by denniswpearce, on Flickr

Thank you Peter, it obviously works. Why do these IT guru's make it so difficult, why can it not be as simple as copy and paste or attach a file like an email. Worse than building a car.
But at least you can now see my problem. Its a case of calling Terry this morning and sending them back for modification.

But my original question was has anyone else experienced this ?
21 Nov 2011, 11:13am
Ooh, err, that doesn't look right??

I've not seen that problem before....
21 Nov 2011, 12:05pm
No Dennis, I haven't seen that before.

I take it that swapping them left for right and vice versa doesn't help?

I'd hazzard a guess that the mounting plates have been welded too far back along the round bar section of the stay. One for Marlin to sort out.

[edit]

Here's a pic of my stays before I mounted them - are your mounting plates in a similar place?

21 Nov 2011, 2:00pm
Yes, identical to yours Jason, but don,t know if you tried swopping them but it does not work. I tried it.
Now back with DHL to deliver to Marlin after the phone call of course.
21 Nov 2011, 4:21pm
I was asked by Terry to send my undamaged tubular wing stay to them so that they could manufacture my new solid stays. This I did.
I get a call from Mark today to say that upon receipt of my phone call today they compared my old one with a new one and found that the small flat plate ( with the fixing holes in ) that holds the stay to the strut is actually about 18mm further along the circular solid stay bar than their standard one. Hence why my new one does not fit.
No idea why mine would be different to everybody elses but thats Marks explanation.
However, he is going to modify it so it should fit when I get it back.
One thing I did not check was if the the exisiting holes in the mud guards will actually line up to fit in the new stays. Might be more work to do. Mmmm.
21 Nov 2011, 9:17pm
I found a picture of my wingstays, as delivered.


Front mudguard stays by marlinpeter, on Flickr

I wonder if yours were modified when your car was built?

A picture of your front suspension would be interesting to compare, as I can't imagine how the centre of your upright could be 18mm adrift. Possibly your top wishbones are on upside down.
28 Nov 2011, 10:18pm
Modified wing stays arrived back today and this time they fit fine. Unfortunately as I suspected, the holes do not line up with the holes on the fibreglass mud guards and the guards do not sit sit correctly, but hey ho the stays are fine. Maybe have to buy some new mud guards as well.

But on an upbeat note...............at least the wing stays will not break now.
29 Nov 2011, 8:41am
denniswpearce wrote:
Maybe have to buy some new mud guards as well.


Fill the holes? It'll be cheaper. I use this stuff for any dings or voids or *ahem* incorrectly cut holes. :redface:

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_167469_langId_-1_categoryId_165625

Depending on how big a hole you need to fill, you can use some sections of glass fibre mat and resin on the underside and then use the filler on top.

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_194319_categoryId_165625_langId_-1?cm_sp=Intelligent_Offer-_-Product_Details_Zone_1-_-Blank&iozone=PDPz1

Fill the hole, sand back and once painted no one will ever know...;)
29 Nov 2011, 7:34pm
Thanks Jason.
I posted without thinking really. A few years ago I bought a crashed small single seat aircraft to repair and get flying again which involved extensive fibreglass repair to the cowling. Took me many weeks of gradually building it up then sanding and filling yet again To eventually get a perfect cowling. Also had to rebuild the wings. But it all went well and I flew it eighteen months later.
So a couple of small holes should not pose much of a problem.
So thanks for putting me in the right direction.
29 Nov 2011, 9:59pm
Or to save respraying and trying to match the existing finish, you could just fill the old holes with a couple of polished bumper bolts.

Something like this....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-bumper-bolts-Solid-Stainless-Steel-5-8-Long-/130606666370?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e68c39282#ht_681wt_1344

Most people won't notice them or if they do, the'll just assume they are part of the fittings for the wings.

If you can use your existing holes to fix to at least one of the cross pieces, you'll only have two holes to camouflage.

But if you re-built a small aircraft, I'm sure you'll be able to work out something :wink: