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Berlinetta Restoration 2015

27 May 2015, 8:22pm
After a brief break, for tidying and regrouping, things are on the move again. Today I received a new clutch master cylinder. The hole in the pedal box was too small so I filed down the register shoulder on the new master cylinder rather than trying to open up the hole in the pedal box.

I have to completely re create the clutch hydraulic pipes, I have used a Triumph Herald front flexy between the master cyl. and the engine, then solid copper down to the slave cylinder, but I have to connect a 5mm copper to a 7/17 UNF threaded connection on the slave cyl. Still kicking ideas about as to how best to achieve that.

I am currently at 0.9% tasks remaining to complete for MOT

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31 May 2015, 10:14pm
Well, it's the end of the sixth month of recent activity in my restoration of this Marlin, I am almost there at 99.47% complete. I have been waiting for funds to catch up with the build, I hadn't expected to have to buy a new clutch master cylinder but that's life!

The chart of how things look now.



I have final fitted the scuttle and bonnet today. Only the seats to fit, a front number plate, mirrors, finish the grill and a bit of board to serve as a temp back seat.

A couple of pics of the (almost) finished dash from drivers eye and behind the scenes. The wiring isn't as nice as I would have liked but it will probably be refined over time as the car evolves.





I am going to try for an MOT either next weekend, or soon after...
31 May 2015, 10:43pm
Your dash is looking ridiculously period, do you have bezels for the large clocks still to fit, can't wait to see it once you have done the alloy body and new screen, I'm still keeping my eye out for suitable thumb bolts with serrations. Ed.
31 May 2015, 11:02pm
Thanks Ed, the dash will evolve over time, I don't have bezels because these dials are from a Mk2 Rover P6 with the plastic dash, I have improvised, because I like the large dials and the speedo gearing should be about right with the Rover SD1 gearbox I am hoping. From the revs and indicated speeds in 4th gear it would seem it's not too far out. The GPS will confirm of course.

I have found a source of bezels but I have a feeling mine will be a non standard size. My ongoing plans include a lathe, once I have a lathe, custom bezels will be child's play!

Much of my frustration during this build has been due to the want of a simple lathe, so I am intending to bite that bullet in the autumn when my finances should catch up with my aspirations.

Again, once I have a lathe it will be easier to create the serrated windscreen swivel fittings. It will also allow me to make my own jenny wheels for a bead roller, which will probably even more useful than the English wheel. All this depends on a bunch of other things slotting into place but I am cautiously optimistic.
1 Jun 2015, 2:40pm
My dad has 2 lathes but the hole through the chuck is too small so I use the 3 phase Harrison in the tool room where I used to work, but not done any for a good while now, some brass bezels would look good on yours, although this week I am liking copper and trying to think of things to use it on.
1 Jun 2015, 3:17pm
The dash really looks the part. :cool:

Good luck with the last few bits & pieces, Paul. :)
1 Jun 2015, 3:39pm
Ed, that's one of the problems with the Harrison I have the use of, I think it only has 5/8" through the headstock, I want to be able to get at least an inch through.

My last lathe was a Colchester Chipmaster, that had an inch and three eights through, but the vari speed gearbox was trashed, it made more noise than a steam train! There's one on eBay for 900 quid but I think that's OTT for that lathe. Hoping to find something like a 250 or 300M Harrison in the £500 bracket if I can, even if it's a bit rough.


Paul, thanks I just want simple and functional, I wasn't going to bother with the small gauges but having trawled through my junk box I decided to give them an airing. The Tapley meter should provide a good talking point... I have some nice badges to fit once it's on the road.


I am in the throes of getting insurance quotes atm, my goodness, it has gone up some in the last two years. I got a quote before I bought the car which was about £120, now I am getting quotes iro £190???

OMG!!! An eMail just came in with a quote from Graham Sykes for £86.32 comprehensive, with 5,000 miles pa. WOW! Me thinks I will stop looking.
6 Jun 2015, 9:44pm
Just a quick update, I have booked the MOT for Friday the 12th. Currently I still have to finish the front bumper, fit a front number plate and fit the passenger seat.

I may make a little padded leather boss cover for the steering wheel centre hub.

I have abandoned the idea of TIG welding the grill for now due to issues with the disposable gas cylinders and regulator.

I bought a 110 litre disposable cylinder of pure argon and a suitable regulator, both from the same supplier. When I got home I connected them up with a suitable 4mm nylon tube to my TIG torch. Turned on the regulator, no hiss, no gas...

Together with a friend we checked and rechecked, but still no gas. I called the supplier, a national company, they told me the only solution was to bring the cylinder and regulator back to the shop, where they would try it and find a solution. Trouble is the shop is 67 miles from here. However, today I grasped the nettle and made the journey.

I am rather bewildered, We tried three new regulators on the argon cylinder I bought, none of them worked. I am positive there is gas in the cylinder because it weighs 300 grammes more than the marked tare weight.

We then tried ALL the pure argon cylinders they had in their shop, on both 'my' regulator and one of the other regulators, NONE of them worked. Eventually having tried several argon-CO2, we found the pure CO2 cylinders worked, then we found a 60 litre pure argon cylinder which would work too.

In the end I gave up, asked for my money back and left. Are these disposable cylinders and regulators usually so unreliable and picky? It seems the pintle which opens the cylinder sealing valve isn't doing it's job but it may not be as simple as that. I have never used them before so have no experience. At almost £40 for a crappy little regulator and only 110 litres of Argon gas, which I suspect wouldn't last an hour of welding, it would have been an expensive welding session.

As it is I have also spent at least £32 on petrol too, I don't get that back, and the suppliers weren't for giving me even a complimentary cylinder for my trouble, not that we could find two pure argon which worked!!!
9 Jun 2015, 9:13pm
100% completed for the MOT!

The only small task I have to do is make a simple steering wheel hub cover. I will use a circle of aluminium with a little padding covered with black leather. I have still to decide how I will secure it to the steering wheel hub. It needs a grippy insert to push into the centre which won't pull out easily.

Friday is the big day.

The car looks good, I have fitted it's 'best' wheels, the tyres are a bit too low profile for my liking but it still has about 5" ground clearance. The other wheels are pretty scruffy, they need cleaning up and lacquering. One of the tyres keeps going down, I suspect corrosion under the tyre bead.

I would have posted a photo but my camera is at my son's, I forgot it after taking pix of my spare auto gearboxes. Thinking about it I have three other cameras I could use... Doh! :doh: I need a responsible adult to keep an eye on me!
9 Jun 2015, 10:59pm
Good luck for the mot, take a few pics by the water on the way back, and enjoy the drive. Ed
10 Jun 2015, 6:40am
Thanks Ed, Just hope they are in a good mood!

Will try to find a nice backdrop for a pic, trouble is there are so many around here, I tend to take them for granted. Maybe a nice sunset?
10 Jun 2015, 12:07pm
Twas nice and sunny so I dusted of my camera and took a few pix...

Here is the better one.

10 Jun 2015, 7:49pm
8 Valve Ed wrote:
Twas nice and sunny so I dusted of my camera and took a few pix...

Here is the better one.



That looks pretty cool without the windscreen. Good luck with the MOT and don't forget your goggles :lol:
10 Jun 2015, 7:57pm
Methinks it WILL be pretty cool without a windscreen!!!

I am thinking in terms of four wheel motorbike... Helmet and a visor, maybe even gloves too. :eusa_angel:

I am really pleased with the bonnet and scuttle lines, exactly what I wanted, It just seem extremely low, as though an elephant has sat on it! The bonnet line could be another six inches higher.

11 Jun 2015, 1:43pm
Good job on the scuttle and Bonnet they change it a lot, would look mean with bigger or smaller lights and also would suit an aluminium wedge wind deflector , are you considering leaf ngbit in aluminium to show off your handy work? I can see how much you lowered the rear arches now, what height will the finished rear tub be? Ed
11 Jun 2015, 2:49pm
Hi Ed, The headlamps need to be bigger and higher, a pair of Super Oscar shells with H4 inserts would be good, the ones I have are as small as you can get with a 180 lamp. Something like the black car in the pic below but obviously the outer lamps within 16" of the width of the car.

I quite fancy fitting a central driving lamp like this one, it was a very distinctive feature of the Alfa's. I have read the lighting Regs and I THINK it would be legal provided it went out when the headlamps are dipped.

I really don't understand the orange covers, in the pics I have many Alfa's have them .



Eventually I will paint it all, the atmosphere here is full of sand and salt, it will be white in weeks if it's left as is.

Planning to make the back tub about the same height as it is in the middle, not sloping it off as it curves forwards to the sides. The big changes being moving the front edge back at least five, maybe six inches, to give more room for the back passengers and making the back less streamlined with provision for two spare wheels on a frame at the back which hinges away to allow the boot lid to open, perhaps... Might just make a smaller boot lid, with a fixed spare wheel mounting at the back, a bit like this...



But with the wheels much further back and almost upright, which would leave more room for a boot. I think it's just a matter of bashing a bit of aluminium sheet about and see what I come up with, it will evolve!

For now I will be content with an MOT... LOL :eusa_angel:
11 Jun 2015, 9:06pm
OK, I made it to Morecambe! About 45 miles, goes like s**t off a shovel!

BUT... It won't re-start from hot. I stopped twice just to check things over, kick tyres and pose a bit... The engine refused to even fire until it had cooled right down. At no time has it overheated, nor even what I would call over hot but I noticed as the air became cooler it ran better.

It is also suffering from gasp, it doesn't like a boot full of throttle, especially in a high gear. When I tried to open it up over 60 it back fired.

I am wondering if it doesn't like the new ethanol fuel. It's as though it isn't getting any fuel, there is plenty of spark, it just won't start when hot.

Suggestions welcome, even what may seem daft ones!

Other than that I like it, it seems pretty stable, although it's way too low, it even grounded on a bump on a major dual carriageway! Once the teething issues are dealt with I think it's a keeper. Not sure I will look forward to long journeys, the seats are not that comfortable but perhaps they can be changed.
11 Jun 2015, 9:55pm
What air filters have you fitted? Years ago when I fitted a V8 in my Berli I bolted K and N filters to the S.U. carbs. I thought with the small stub still in place and now inside the filter that the air would flow OK. However on a visit to a rolling road I was advised to fit the long U bend pipe to each carb then a cone filter, and it did make the engine run smoother. Perhaps this is the cause of the gasp? Just a thought, Scott.
11 Jun 2015, 10:15pm
I think you may be right on that one Scott, I have a couple of cheap K&N type filters fitted. I don't think we have a rolling road in Morecambe any more, at least not a sports/competition one.

I have left the 'U' bends in place and fitted the filters to them but I think it's probably getting rather too much air for the current needles. I do have a proper Rover filter housing, I may try that, but in a way I would prefer to get it running properly with these air filters. I may try restricting the area of the filter with gaffer tape or similar... If that works then perhaps a gradual blocking of the filter with something like paint or some sort of glue painted on to restrict the air a bit.

When I first started the engine it wouldn't run at all without these filters fitted, but of course driving on the road is a whole different kettle of fish from running it in the garage.

Thanks for the suggestion.
12 Jun 2015, 7:29am
Glad you enjoyed your run, is that the first time you have driven it? This post is not that much help as it is not a solution but maybe help find the cause, 25 years ago my first boss used to let me drive his 1970's range rover with giant trailer during hay making. Before we started we used to take the bonnet and drivers door off, door so you could jump out throw a bail on and leg it back in whilst the RR ticked over in 1st gear low box and kept moving, bonnet used to come off to let the heat escape to reduce the chance of a fire and so you could glance in to see if hay and flammables had built up in the engine bay, the downside of this was the RR had to be left running all day even over lunch as it would not start whilst warm when run with the bonnet off, we had always assumed the bonnet aided air flow and cooling over the top of the engine/ carbs and it was simply boiling the fuel out of the carbs once turned off.
He swapped the RR for a defender when he fired a con rod out of the block on the m62, he got out picked the bits off the road chucked some oil and water in being a farmer he always had and still has 25 litres of each in the back and carried on on what cylinders remained. He drove it like that for about 15 miles on and off road with many stops for stream water and it finally gave in about ¼ of a mile from the farm. He then walked down his fields and caught a bus to Copley motors land rover and drove home in a brand new defender it was a G plate so 1990 his wife was suprised as he had only gone out to take his brother to Manchester airport.
He is certainly a character Oddly I saw him yesterday. One day I'll type you the story of the Shetland pony and the JCB .
My point being you have a very similar engine and have completely altered the air flow around it. Ethanol evaporates at 77.7°c if I recall.
I boiled the fuel yesterday in a chainsaw and mower it still feels cold when you put your finger in but bubbles a lot. I do recall the RR used to get quite warm lugging the trailer up and down the Pennine fields. Ed.
12 Jun 2015, 7:55am
Good story Ed! Great days doing hay timing and stuff... Look forward to the pony and JCB tale...

Yes it needs a cool head (Ed!) and some thought, I am sure this can be resolved, I haven't cut louvers in the bonnet sides yet but not convinced they are essential. There is no clutter in the engine bay, it isn't over hot. I think it's probably running weak due to the over free air filters and that's causing it to get a bit warmer than optimum. I think fuel vaporisation is the reason for the failure to start when hot, and unrestricted breathing the reason for gasping on acceleration in high gear.

I am concerned I may blow a hole in a piston running it weak, it can happen so easily. That would be a disaster.

Currently planning to try to restrict the air intake with some sort of sleeve, possibly an old jumper sleeve or tracky pants leg. These filters are pretty un-restrictive, the standard air filter is two paper drums inside a steel housing with about a 45mm dia. air intake. I think that is the clue. Without an exhaust gas analyser I am groping in the dark, so I am going to have to be lucky to hit a sweet spot, not too weak for the pistons and valves and definitely not too rich for the test.
12 Jun 2015, 8:53am
Yes, He was a tyrant to work for but looking back he certainly moulded my approach to life and taught me many skills, just not people skills, Jimmy Savile once threatened to throw him off the drop by the church in heptonstall.
Try it on straight petrol in the middle of the night, im pretty sure without the use of Google that petrol stays liquid a good 15 or 20° higher than ethanol. I have seen those engines with various heat shields under the inlet, the land rover trailing boys have all manner of issues and solutions for it, try a peak on their forums or diff lock forum. Wait till the emissions test then wind it up to the Max richness allowed. My mot man loves tinkering with my Jeeps when he is testing them, last year I got under and painted some bits while it was over the pit and it cost me 6 eggs ha ha he is retiring soon though so I'm a bit worried. Ed.
Edit.... Is your lad still messing with the wind turbine? I am going to get a job lot of solar panels and things today for a sun/ battery powered incubator project for my daughters chicken and quail hatching addiction, so I recon il have some blocking diodes spare if you want one posting? Can post you some quail too just looked and she has 48 eggs in. Ed
12 Jun 2015, 9:11am
Good stories Ed, I have just reset the advance, that was one of the things I messed with yesterday. Once the boss gets back I will ask her for something to wrap around the air filter then I will give it a try.

One of the features I built into the car was the fuel line runs well away from any heat source, until of course it gets into the carbs. I am thinking in terms of longer studs and more heat resistant packing between the manifold and carb flanges. Maybe stainless studs too. A heat shield under the carbs might do some good but I will take your advice and check out the LR forums.

It seems the latent heat when the car is standing for a few minutes is the problem but that said I stalled it when setting off from a lay-by then it refused to restart straight away, although it had been stood ticking over for a few minutes.

Can you still buy 'real' petrol???
12 Jun 2015, 9:16am
a big scary monster wrote:
Is your lad still messing with the wind turbine? I am going to get a job lot of solar panels and things today for a sun/ battery powered incubator project for my daughters chicken and quail hatching addiction, so I recon il have some blocking diodes spare if you want one posting? Can post you some quail too just looked and she has 48 eggs in. Ed


I think they dropped it for now, but I was given a battery powered fluorescent lamp yesterday, with some spare car batteries it would be handy in the shed. Lets get this MOT out of the way then I come back to you on that one...

Living right on the coast we almost always have some wind, it's an interesting project for them.
12 Jun 2015, 9:46am
You could use some tin foil?