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Scottie's Tribute A352 build

22 Apr 2015, 12:32pm
Bad luck Scottie. Better at home than on route to Stoneleigh tho.
Cars looking great.
22 Apr 2015, 12:41pm
Why have you stuck them on crooked? :-)

Glad to see that Rene can still find negative things to say

Nicely doctored photo, the original made you look like the dance from the Happy Mondays
22 Apr 2015, 1:58pm
Thanks froggyman, once its wired up right, it shouldn't happen, as all the wires will be in their correct places, but at the moment they are all over the place, hence the F.U. !

Of the three fuses on the car, none of the the little buggers blew,
bless 'em!
On the positive side, and there always is one, I have a warm day and bright sunshine to work in, so I'll crack on!

The burnt out mess I'm looking at.........

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22 Apr 2015, 2:46pm
Gutted. :icon_sad:

Good luck sorting out the wiring.

Take care, Paul. :)
22 Apr 2015, 4:20pm
WorldClassAccident wrote:


Glad to see that Rene can still find negative things to say


It's not negative...........only pointing out details as Scottie put a lot of effort in those details..........just helping remember it.

I'll keep my mouth shut now......
22 Apr 2015, 5:22pm
He's only joking Rene, don't take it too seriously! :-)
22 Apr 2015, 5:46pm
Scottie22 wrote:
He's only joking Rene, don't take it too seriously! :-)


I know Scottie,but i wrote I'll keep my mouth shut...........not my fingers:tape:
Bummer about the wiring,still think you did a great job...............but the selftappers must be painted.......:thumb:
Also think there are too much wires,a stock Ford popular had only 8 wires and no fuses,omly a main switch.........worked out well.
22 Apr 2015, 6:13pm
Bad luck Scottie, nasty sticky smelly mess.

The only way is to sort slowly through and locate the burnt circuits. Replacing them with new cables. Hopefully the cables are the correct colours otherwise it will be ten times harder.

I have always gone for the lean, basic wiring. I run three 7 core cables, one to the engine, one for the front lights and one for the back lights. That's it. They meet up behind the dash and make their connections to switches and fuses.

I accept early cars didn't have fuses but I can't see an issue incorporating some spade (blade?) fuses to cover the supplies and basic circuits. Those porcelain fuses with strips on the outside and little pointed brass contacts each end are terrible, the least reliable device ever. Source of more electrical faults than any other cause I would say.

I flattened my Marlin battery last night because I forgot to switch off the main switch as I normally do, I was so tired after finishing the grill. This morning it refused to turn over so I had to jump it off a spare battery.
22 Apr 2015, 8:51pm
That's bad news Scottie. On a positive note the wiring will be much better after you've spent time on it - just like the other good jobs you've done on this build.
And it gives an opportunity to get rid of the Lego brick connectors.
Is it worth hiding a modern fuse box or breakers somewhere out of the way?
25 Apr 2015, 9:01pm
Just a quick update, today I put the finished windscreen on the car, hopefully for good. tomorrow I will put the trim back on the screen, the quarter lights and some of the internal trim.
I did not take any pics, but should have some tomorrow, watch this space.................
26 Apr 2015, 5:33pm
Sunday

Worked quite a lot on the car today, but don't seem to have achieved much,
but I have, its very time-consuming stuff putting all the bits back on without buggering up the paint.

Also, as the stuff is going on sort of permanently, it all has to be silicon-sealed to ensure its waterproof etc.

I got one quarter light on, some internal panels, and two rear rain channels,

fitted the stainless strip across the windscreen top, and sealed it on.

Fitted the seat backs, more to boost my morale than any practical use, as when I fit and wire the dash, they will come back out to give me room.

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26 Apr 2015, 6:16pm
I bet the wheels look good?
26 Apr 2015, 6:49pm
What's Yours Worth Then?

Quite a lot!
26 Apr 2015, 8:24pm
Don't know or care Mick!

All repro's are frauds, and mine is a bigger fraud, than Lynx' as its not even Jaguar based, but what a crafty fraud!!
26 Apr 2015, 8:43pm
Yes they do Gary!

Or, at least they will against the dark green paint!

They are super-rare extra wide solid disc Triumph steelies, which I drilled out as per Dunlop.

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26 Apr 2015, 8:43pm
Scottie22 wrote:
Don't know or care Mick!

All repro's are frauds, and mine is a bigger fraud, than Lynx' as its not even Jaguar based, but what a crafty fraud!!


It's only a fraud if you stick a badge on it Scottie. D'Oh!

Looking REALLY good BTW :eusa_angel:
26 Apr 2015, 8:54pm
You won't ever find an XKSS replica without the badges!
Even at 380 grand!!
27 Apr 2015, 7:14am
Tribute Automotive wrote:
It's only a fraud if you stick a badge on it Scottie. D'Oh!

Looking REALLY good BTW :eusa_angel:


Surely, if the badge is a genuine Jaguar/Ferrari/(Bentley :tape2: )/Maserati part, then it can't really be a fraud...
27 Apr 2015, 7:33am
Interesting point Mr T, all the very very exclusive expensive replica
making companies put the badges on their "Jaguars"
If I didn't know you any better, I'd say you were thinking deviously!
27 Apr 2015, 7:48am
Surely to commit fraud you have to defraud *somebody*, if it's your own car and you don't plan to sell it as a Jaguar without mentioning the fact that it isn't a Jaguar, then no fraud exists?

That said, there is copyright, that MIGHT be a dodgy area but only if you try to make it *official* my registering it as a Jaguar, I would have thought?

At the end of the day I can't see JLR suing Scottie for copyright violation because he only has to point out that the (dummy) rivets are drilled centres whereas the original rivets were solid. Case dismissed!
27 Apr 2015, 8:02am
Yes I think you are right there Ed, some years ago a judge dismissed a case bought by Caterham against Westfield, claiming violation, but the judge said there was not one measurement on either car the same.
I think it is the badge-ing that is the issue, but not with Jaguar it isn't, as they are very tolerant in that area, and I believe take it as a complement, rather than an insult like companies such as Mercedes or Bentley.
27 Apr 2015, 8:59am
None of our cars would come under The Fraud Act 2006 unless the builder tried to make some gain for themselves or someone else, or to cause some loss to somebody else -

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/35/section/2

You'd effectively have to try to sell or hire it to someone and try to dupe them into believing it's an original.

As for breach of copyright or patent, there was this recent case brought by Daimler (under German law) -

http://www.worldcarfans.com/112032142605/mercedes-300-sl-replica-destroyed-for-copyright-infringement

I have no idea what the law here in the UK would have to say about classic car 'homages' such as ours as it's civil law not criminal.

Thankfully though, nobody from Lancia has turned up at my house with a lawyer and a few heavies from the Cosa Nostra. Yet...
27 Apr 2015, 9:06am
The copyright thing is quite complex, for example the Coka-Cola bottle shape is copyright, I believe the Rolls Royce radiator shape is copyright too, I guess many other details are copyright but I come back to my point that unless you are actively trying to make for sale and profit from suchlike, I can't see anybody bothering about an individual who is creating a tribute for fun.

I have seen it reported that VOSA see modifications to all cars as a violation of copyright but I don't really believe they are intent on policing multinational companies patents and copyrights for them, surely they have enough to do trying to stop ringing, 'cut and shuts' and poor maintenance in back street truck and taxi fleets, which is their real function.

Another sunny day, on holiday in sunny Morecambe today! :eusa_dance: Concreting a drive. :eusa_doh:
27 Apr 2015, 6:52pm
Ignoring the legal view, it is an old Spitfire pretending to be something much better. So it is a bit of a fraud, not in a bad way.

Keep up the good work Scottie, it looks great and is going to be something you are proud of.