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On a quest to get the detail right - at first glance im sure most think they look the same.
The outline is close but the details are different
This version no scoop no vents
The Headlamps are more to scale
Wheels closer to the schnitzers im going with and closer to scale
The grille section of the front lays back on this version as opposed to up right and undercut on the previous sketches.
I tried ink as opposed to the pencil lines - there is no mistaking the contours
As a conceptual sketch, I think your design is excellent - and I'll buy one if you ever build it exactly like this with the usual caveat about price.
I can see a few issues around the size of wheels and how you'll manage to build the wheel arches as you plan to, and fill them with a suitable size of wheel. Seeing how you have captured the correct looking relationship between horizontal bonnet join, door handle, and top of the tyres, you'll notice that your proposed wheels appear to be around 22" dia or more, which look fantastic but will mess up the handling and acceleration, and the fronts may foul when steering.
I hope you can see what I mean from this:
You'll be entering a market with a design very similar to Anthony Cherry's Bertini:
I like Anthony's car very much though prefer the aggressive front design of yours. My feeling is that the Bertini front end doesn't have the presence expected of a sports car. I'd like to see your front on the Bertini whilst keeping the very pretty rear-end of that car. It would be interesting to see what your design ahead of the wheel centres would look like grafted onto the Bertini.
Anyway, please accept my comments in the positive manner in which I mean them. You have an excellent concept and it will be a shame to have to change it too much to get to production.
Good luck
Looking at the Bertini, I wonder how it would look with headlights positioned at the minimum allied by Construction and Use (500mm from ground to the centre line), the fog light lowered to suit, and your inverted 'U' shape mouth.
Looking at the Bertini, I wonder how it would look with headlights positioned at the minimum allied by Construction and Use (500mm from ground to the centre line), the fog light lowered to suit, and your inverted 'U' shape mouth.
Just pop one over to Chris- that would take him about 45 mins.
[QUOTE=y cymro;70649]As a conceptual sketch, I think your design is excellent - and I'll buy one if you ever build it exactly like this with the usual caveat about price.
I can see a few issues around the size of wheels and how you'll manage to build the wheel arches as you plan to, and fill them with a suitable size of wheel. Seeing how you have captured the correct looking relationship between horizontal bonnet join, door handle, and top of the tyres, you'll notice that your proposed wheels appear to be around 22" dia or more, which look fantastic but will mess up the handling and acceleration, and the fronts may foul when steering.
I hope you can see what I mean from this:
I appreciate your comments - the z3 in the pic has 16" wheels
Still a little off but much closer - remember the z300s is my starting point so if you can squint you can see that cutting off the long nose takes us very close
You'll be entering a market with a design very similar to Anthony Cherry's Bertini:
I like Anthony's car very much though prefer the aggressive front design of yours. My feeling is that the Bertini front end doesn't have the presence expected of a sports car. I'd like to see your front on the Bertini whilst keeping the very pretty rear-end of that car. It would be interesting to see what your design ahead of the wheel centres would look like grafted onto the Bertini.
Anyway, please accept my comments in the positive manner in which I mean them. You have an excellent concept and it will be a shame to have to change it too much to get to production.
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I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder but - have you seen this in real
I visited interested in buying a Gt25 I told Anthony that the rear looked like he had not finished it - The golf 5 diffuser is the only feature
Dont take this in a bad way but looking at them pics I cant believe how much your sketch looks like the bertini.
Mind you its probibly cheaper to have you design made by tribute than actually buy a bertini kit!
This is how Anthony put the Bertini front end together and before you all complain he told me so.
Ive been building cars for 30 years and for the price he paid (£Xx,xxxx) to devop it I think somebody took advantage
you could buy a brand new 911 for that.
Putting a cat among the pigeons......... I quite like the idea of a z300 with modern round rear lights (90mm like cbs sell?) maybe frenched in, and the Fiat 500 front lights - a sort of modern take on the theme.
I think it was Bertini that started the ball rolling with BMW Z3 kits although I might be mistaken.
Personally, I do like the Bertini GT25. It looks well built and seems to be easy to put together. Something many first time builders will appreciate.
It does have a few small things that are not to my taste but could be changed without too many problems. For example, using cut-up rear Porsche
tail lamps. (This could be illegal in some countries.) The front is OK. just needs bigger headlamps. (the Fiat 500 units look small) and maybe a bonnet scoop.
Originally Posted by Danny_HUFC.
Dont take this in a bad way but looking at them pics I cant believe how much your sketch looks like the bertini.
Maybe the Z300S could look similar to a "Cobra-ized" Bertini ?
[QUOTE=DSG4ME;70681]I think it was Bertini that started the ball rolling with BMW Z3 kits although I might be mistaken.
Personally, I do like the Bertini GT25. It looks well built and seems to be easy to put together. Something many first time builders will appreciate.
It does have a few small things that are not to my taste but could be changed without too many problems. For example, using cut-up rear Porsche
tail lamps. (This could be illegal in some countries.) The front is OK. just needs bigger headlamps. (the Fiat 500 units look small) and maybe a bonnet scoop.
You are skilled at photoshop DS but mini lamps are bigger than that fiat lamps 8" mini lamps 13" long 8 wide
As for the Z3 base - it must be very close as our very own legend WCA had been on the forum with various projects-
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1st time I bought a TVR to convert but enjoyed it instead until I sold it to Chris for him to cut up a year later.
2nd time I bought a Scimitar to turn into a G46. I almost completed that before snapping my foot off meaning I could only drive automatics so that had to go.
3rd time lucky. Just bought a 2.8 BMW Z3
Now I know that none of Tributes kits currently fit the Z3 but I am sure Chris can work his magic to get bits of the A352/D Type/Mistral to fit.
Hmm, maybe a trip to Poole in the new car is in order to discuss what is possible...
He posted the above some months before Anthony was on the many forums that he posted the development of the then Falco. 2nd July 2013
My final point is Tribute Z300s and Kobra are also quality products that are just as easy to fit and do attract first time builders.
Im sure first time or in fact any builders object to the £4K kit price for front and rear Bertini mouldings
Tributes are great value but most are bespoke - Ian's Z300s has a larger grille area and the vent smoothed into a power bulge. Many Tributes have tweaks as per the customer request
You are right Roadster. My apolagies to WCA. He is the one that started the ball rolling with the Z3 bodykits. And yes, Tributes are great value for money, thats why they sell and they have such a lot of followers.
To be honest I think it was a pretty close thing and we both started independently of each other. I did spend the first 6 months of my build in bed after my last ankle accident so I may have started planning earlier buy i think Anthony got to glass before me.
In terms of ease and quality I think Tribute wins for build ease and looking at Nubodi's blue Z300S and the Bertini at Stoneleigh this year there was nothing in it.
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