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From concept to reality

12 Aug 2015, 9:18pm
The waiting for the project to begin is hard.

I have bought the bits and pieces I think I need, the rear design has matured into something simple but without going too boy racer.

My son and I are trying to decide colour schemes.
He found this clip- Satin black tinted lamps and the stance is menacing

https://youtu.be/1lyCjmIm6-k
13 Aug 2015, 12:13pm
Roadster wrote:
I would rather keep the bmw windows
Better to have something that works and works well than a bodged together set up , that doesn't seal properly all that wind noise and rain get in


Thats the same reason I changed my mind about it. And I regret not doing it now!
14 Aug 2015, 7:42am
Roadster wrote:
The Z300s has wider wings than the z3 as it was designed to accommodate WCA's wire wheels and adapters.

The trick is to exaggerate the proportions.



This is a pic of a KC427 replica in foam - notice the headlamps are a little more inboard and lines suggest the arch extension.

The fiat lamps require a gap to their outer the mounting bracket is there.

Chris shares my vision and just as soon as I make it to the head of the queue im sure progress will be swift.


Cant wait to see more progress on this, think i have finally found a kit i REALLY want to build!
20 Aug 2015, 9:35pm
Popped into Chris today
Had a chance to put my rear light cups against the curves of the rear and im happy that they will blend into the shape well.
I also managed to hold my chosen diffuser to the rear clam.
Width and depth look very close. I will have to cut a section out and join the 2 mouldings.
The TVR style stainless cans look made for it.

I have been on holiday in Devon and Cornwall this week and I spotted a Z300s out in rush hour in Exeter.
It was unpainted with circular rear lamps. But despite it being a work in progress it looked great.
It had a certain TVR Griffith look about it.
21 Aug 2015, 9:24pm
Roadster - First of all, a very belated welcome back.

Seeing you build your first car outside gave me hope that I could do the same.
( Although with hindsight, I think we are both as dumb as each other! :icon_wink: )

Good luck with this new build, I look forward to seeing it develop.

Roadster wrote:
...I have been on holiday in Devon and Cornwall this week and I spotted a Z300s out in rush hour in Exeter.
It was unpainted with circular rear lamps. But despite it being a work in progress it looked great.
It had a certain TVR Griffith look about it.


By chance, I've just been updating the Useful Info Thread and spotted this.



It's Patton's Z300, details here:
http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5164

Cheers, Paul. :)
21 Aug 2015, 9:37pm
[QUOTE=Paul L;70497]Roadster - First of all, a very belated welcome back.

Seeing you build your first car outside gave me hope that I could do the same.
( Although with hindsight, I think we are both as dumb as each other! :icon_wink: )

Good luck with this new build, I look forward to seeing it develop.


Some may call us dumb :) - I like to think that we overcome obstacles.

Yes its was Patton's car, thanks for the link.

The Z300s is an underated model - im surprised more haven't been built.
I feel slightly guilty that we are cutting one up ...... but you cant make an omelette without breaking eggs.

Im really looking forward to the new model taking shape
23 Aug 2015, 9:57am
Im still sketching and fleshing out the design.

Certain truths have emerged - the top of the grille opening has to share the Cobra's line or the whole design changes.

Im still unsure on the bonnet vent, it looks bland with no detail but for sure big vents look like an afterthought.

The side vents are also in question.
I have decided that the image of the cobra we all love is because is almost a caricature - cartoon like . Oversized grille, scoop, arches.



Some of these oversized elements are difficult to incorporate into a modern design.
Even though Shelby approved the Ford styled Cobra concept, I personally don't like it

23 Aug 2015, 10:43am
Do your homework on offsets and wheels available at 5x120 - I don't think you'll achieve a dish like that, purely because they're aren't any dished wheels out there in 19/20 at 5x120 pcd.

AXE EX20's would look awesome - just make sure you have enough arch to do it
23 Aug 2015, 10:51am
I see what you mean. They taken the outline from the side and the from the front has gone very blurry and wide. No round lights the curve of the grill
23 Aug 2015, 10:57am
smash wrote:
Do your homework on offsets and wheels available at 5x120 - I don't think you'll achieve a dish like that, purely because they're aren't any dished wheels out there in 19/20 at 5x120 pcd.

AXE EX20's would look awesome - just make sure you have enough arch to do it


The sketch is an idea -a way to demonstrate the image in my mind. I cant draw exactly as it will be.
Im the stylist - I create the image Chris will sculpt the shape for real and therefore it will evolve.
The sketch was primarily to see how chosen colours and details will look
I have my wheels already
From my initial measurements I will need about 15mm spacers on the front as the Z300 is wider than the Z3 as it was designed to accomadate Nick's wire wheels and adaptors
23 Aug 2015, 11:02am
I put 20" alloys on my Kobra and had to grind a bit of the front inner arches away so thy didnt rub on full lock.
23 Aug 2015, 11:07am
Danny_HUFC wrote:
I put 20" alloys on my Kobra and had to grind a bit of the front inner arches away so thy didnt rub on full lock.


I think the Z300s is wider than the Kobra
Chris added lips to the arch to bring the Kobra shell out to cover the Z3

Im sticking at 18's and I don't even think im lowering it if I can help it.
I've had race cars on the road fun but you don't drive them too far

23 Aug 2015, 11:41am
I like the sketch you made. It's the red cobra photo I don't like. It's almost like they've tried to make it look like the Porsche turbo that Hammond drove on top gear . the 999 that was put against the Ferrari
23 Aug 2015, 11:48am
If your able to keep a good depth on the front wings to the bonnet it should look great. The red car seems to take the outline of the cobra but lost the lovely curves. I think Porsche have done well to keep the balance right with the development of the 911taking in consideration the tweeks to aerodynamics and width for better handling
23 Aug 2015, 11:56am
If your able to make light sizes and door lines from paper or card and place them against stripped BMW taping it on will save alot of time giving you scale and width before any panels are made. Working with what the donor can give you is the easier root , I've found it out the hard way
23 Aug 2015, 12:00pm
zagmad wrote:
If your able to make light sizes and door lines from paper or card and place them against stripped BMW taping it on will save alot of time giving you scale and width before any panels are made. Working with what the donor can give you is the easier root , I've found it out the hard way


The rear lights were measured up on Thursday and Chris has had the front lights for weeks
Its really only slight changes to the Z300s
Consider it a nosejob rather complete reconstructive surgery
23 Aug 2015, 12:08pm
Use of the headlight lense as your shape for the headlights is a good idea. I was going to use modern pod lights they use on lotus 7's and put a lense over the front allowing a softer line on the front but was torn between concept and period custom. With the wheelbase on the mx5 being short, too much overhang made the scale and proportions look wrong so taking time on this is important. Measure twice cut once.
23 Aug 2015, 12:21pm
If you can keep as close to the sketch above I think it will look awesome. the BMW as a donor gives you more options and good for tyre sizes as they have as much as 26inch diameter on the classic tyres . I spent a lot on my donor to get it back to health having had the seal on the gearbox go and the cooling system shut down so didn't want to have to start again with a different donor as it also could have problems . whilst the new clutch kit was being fitted I had the timing and auxiliary belt fitted the water pump was faulty so that was replaced and Colling system bled and the broken screw under radiator replaced . possibly the previous owner miss timed a speed bump
23 Aug 2015, 5:44pm
zagmad said: It's the red cobra photo I don't like.


The red Cobra is actually a Shelby Cobra Concept replica called the DRB540. Its made in Australia by DRB Sportscars.

I´m sure your Z300s will look a lot better if it looks similar to your sketch.
24 Aug 2015, 8:13am
Its funny how your mood affects a sketch

Yesterday I was trying to keep the design clean and I was concentrating on how colour would impact on the styling.
I was happy enough to upload it but during the day I kept revisiting it - something had been lost in this rendition.

After sleeping on it and I grabbed my pencils and gave it another go.
I scribbled it down in seconds - lots of errant lines and scruffy but I think I caught it more this time.

I always wanted an aggressive style. Yesterdays was just a bit docile.



I left a lot of the lines to show the contours, the complexity of the grille opening is more obvious.
I don't know how much of this styling will be in the finished article but I know Chris was on the same page during our initial brainstorming.

I don't get on with photoshop, im old fashioned in that sense but I do play with effects from time to time.
So how would the style cope in a dark palette?



This is obviously just the negative but it does have a menace about it.
Less of a Cobra more a Vampire.
24 Aug 2015, 8:20am
I know they are the same picture but the black one looks best!
24 Aug 2015, 8:50am
WorldClassAccident wrote:
I know they are the same picture but the black one looks best!


I agree with you Nick
Do I have enough patience to get the body as good as yours.
Black will show every sin
24 Aug 2015, 8:50am
That's very nice. I wonder what it would look like on 17 or 18" wheels rather than the 24s that you've drawn?
24 Aug 2015, 8:58am
Probably very slightly - I mean really very slightly - like the Raffo Belva?

The black 'vision' looks bloody fantastic!! If you can keep close to that aspect ratio in real life it's a winner for sure
24 Aug 2015, 9:01am
Do I have enough patience to get the body as good as yours.

It doesn't take patience it takes beer!

The car on the other hand takes patience :-)