MadaboutKitcars

All I would say is be careful with them as the plastic is brittle.

Y Cymro - I am thinking of changing mine so if they have run out let me know.

I have posted a link back in the thread for lancia items as well which would look good

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-FLAVIA-FULVIA-COUPE-2-Side-marker-lights-indicator-lenses-with-gasket-/400891836905?

Or these actually listed as ferrari 250 items

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400847792276?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT#ht_198wt_1141

Yep, I'd seen those two links and they do look the business but they're not far off twice the price of the Autobianchi ones I bought.

Can't remember who, but one European contributor has talked of spending e20,000 to put one of these on the road, and it would be easy to spend such a significant sum if you insist on absolute parts originality and contract out jobs such as trim and paint to professionals.

With this build I'm aiming to strictly control the costs while ending up with something that looks convincing - I completely blew my budget out of the water on the Spyder, spending almost double what I set out to - so I'm looking to use as many great vfm parts as possible and will be doing all the work myself (with the exception of a headlining).

So far I've managed to source a pair of suitable leather seats for £100 (around a £400 saving against new, period looking leather buckets), a set of period looking wheels for under £100 (£1,000 cheaper than suitable wires & adaptors) and a pair of side repeaters for £31 (£25 cheaper than the Lancia alternative).

With a planned budget of £7,500 the savings so far of £1,425 mean that I can spend more on a much better donor. My expectation is that a really good donor will save me money in both the build and on longer term running costs: I should get more back for the panels, interior and parts than from a scruffy clunker, I'll need to spend less time and money refurbishing the running gear (getting my Vitesse chassis and drivetrain back into shape added about 9 months and £2000 to my Spyder build) and I should end up with a more reliable and better driving car once it's finished.

I know I only saved about £25 with those repeaters, but if I can do that on ten more items then the combined savings will pay for the tyres.

That's the plan, anyway...

and a good plan it is...i'm useless with money ha ha

as you say good condition items from a clean donor will sell and return you more money then a ratty example,thus putting more in the kitty to spend on the build.

and taking your lead i bought a pair of the autobianchi indicators for the bargain price of £31 delivered from Greece.

going back to the tyre talk from the other thread etc 185/15 vr cheapest so far approx £130 each vredestein classic

can get H rated up to 130mph cheaper

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUMMER-TYRE-Vredestein-SPRINT-Classic-185-70-R15-89H/131410698295?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29952%26meid%3Da5924268a3d54058ab19a5ee4e057310%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D131466899226&rt=nc#ht_1223wt_1348

funny saw that as well ...looks like her dad is selling it for her and it had low mileage at 80k

Oponeo have the H rated sprint classics for £80 each including delivery -

http://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-details/vredestein-sprint-classic-185-80-r15-91-h#88682850

Camskill did have them at £75 each, but appear to have sold out.

I'm holding off on buying the tyres until I've got the donor - if it's a 2 litre or less it'll be the HR sprint classics, anything bigger and it'll have to be 205/65/VR15's, a size that comes in loads of choices at the £60 to £80 each mark.

sounds good to me ...

as you surf the web you've probably come across gto engineering they do all maor of remanufactured ferrari items,rebuilds,resto's etc etc

http://www.gtoengineering.com/blogs/cars-for-sale as you can see they list a 250swb recreation ...so i had to enquire

Thank you for your interest in our 1960 250 SWB Competition Berlinettas. The standard specification includes an aluminium body, 3-litre ‘250’ competition engine (Tipo 128F) with a 4-speed gearbox, painted and trimmed in leather to your specifications, and available in LHD or RHD. Our cars are visually and mechanically indistinguishable from the real thing. The price for this is GBP £440,000. The standard car can have various options and upgrades, details and pricing for which are below. We have now sold nine cars, six completed and delivered, seventh car is completed and awaiting delivery, eighth car chassis finished, body is being fitted.

We use an original period or later Ferrari identity, which we can supply or you can supply yourself. Build time is currently approx. 12-18 months from order/deposit. The deposit requirement is £150,000, plus 50% of the extras, and the identity if purchased from us. VAT is payable if applicable.

SWB Additional Options

1 Small Spot Lamps - £1,200
2 Bug Screen - £620
3 Exhaust Snaps - £2,500
4 Roll Hoop and Leather Padding - £2,500
5 Heater - £1,850
6 Ashtray - £1,000
7 Cigarette Lighter - £165
8 Air Conditioning - £35,000

SWB Upgrade Options

9 3.5-litre Engine - £15,000
10 4.0-litre Engine - £20,000
11 Competition Sump - £5,250
12 High Mechanical Pump Front Cover Exchange, Pump & Glass Fuel Bowl - £7,280
13 Electronic Ignition - £1,000
14 Lightweight Starter - £400
15 Dynator - £1,850
16 5-speed Gearbox - £6,800
17 Lightweight Aluminium Ribbed Gearbox Centre Section - £2,600
18 Full Competition Gearbox - £22,000
19 Small Steering Wheel - £1,200
20 Quicker 17:1 Steering Ratio - £950
21 Lighter & more heat efficient Aluminium Brake Callipers - £2,308
22 Polished Wide Wheels - £2,000
23 Original-type Horn - £1,200

Please let me know how we can help further, I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind Regards
Joanna Lyon


the price isnt that bad considering how much an original one is so i've gone out and bought a lottery ticket..

440.000 for a "real"one.............as you buy an original one for 20 million you must feel ripped..........

I wish you hadn't posted that price list - if Chris reads that post he might put his prices up!

£1,200 for a pair of spot lamps? What are they made of, diamonds soaked in truffle oil?

Six hundred and twenty quid for a bug screen? It's only a bit of Perspex bolted to the bonnet!

They're having a laugh. Even if I won the Euromillions I wouldn't pay those overinflated prices, I'd rather walk. Or build one myself...

They must have been having a look at the Realm Engineering website, their prices are very similar for XKSS bits and bobs!
Which is one reason I am making it all myself.

These look nice -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251745301725?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Of course, the fitting kit is £1,165.15 +vat.

Tell you what- I'll fit them for £1,165.5 incl VAT and I'll have "Marshal" etched on the glass for you.

Bargain, they'd still be £233.10 cheaper than the optional ones from GTO Engineering.

Those would be the ones with "SEV-Marchal" moulded into the glass !!!

It's funny how fate can intervene in things.

I have been struggling for some time to decide on what tyres to go for. I liked the idea of original size 185/80/15 Vredestein sprint classics, which are available in H and V speed ratings.

The issue I had was with the choice of donor - as discussed on another thread, any Z3 with a motor larger than the 2.0 six needs V rated tyres fitting.

I want this car to come in under budget, so I had set aside no more than £320 per set of four (fitted), which would rule out V rated Sprint Classics as they are around £150 each.

So the backup plan if I happen to get a 2.2 or 2.8 donor was to use Vredestein Sportrac tyres in a more modern size - 205/65/15V, which would come in at about £280 for a set.

So, I was searching on line for the best price for those when someone ebay listed a set of part-worn Sportrac 3's, recently removed from an E-Type.

They were in suitable sizes - a pair of 205/65/15V's and a pair of 225/60/15V's, and have 6mm tread remaining. Best of all, they were priced at under £100 for all four with best offer facility.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261810546195?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

So, best offer declined, counter offer accepted by me, £85 paid and hoping to collect them tomorrow or Thursday.

That's the tyres sorted on a budget then.

You could get them from Eurospares without the 350% markup

http://www.eurospares.co.uk/partsListing2.asp?M=1&Mo=536&G=9&S=

this kit car s cheaperhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAPAN-EXCLUSIVE-DYDO-FERRARI-250GT-SWB-1959-MINI-CAR-KIT-KYOSHO-/151631626133?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item234df2ff95

Interesting site, now bookmarked for reference.

Everything does look suitably expensive - I'd been looking for a source of those lazy 's' shaped bonnet pins for ages but I don't think I'll be buying any at £225 per pair (plus vat and p&p?), especially as I found this US MG forum where a chap eventually made his own for less than eighteen bucks the pair (on page 2) -


http://www.mgexp.com/phorum/read.php?1,1043799

The tail lights look really good too, but is there really going to be enough difference between them and the ones Chris put on his parts list to justify about five times the price?

It's now become a bit of a personal challenge for me to keep the costs down as low as possible without compromising the way the car looks.

Yep, could be a good starting point to upscale it on a 3D printer then use the copy as a buck to have the panels hand beaten in aluminium. With a suitable engine, gearbox and diamond studded spot lamps soaked in truffle oil it shouldn't cost more than about £440,000...

Youn can take a stainless spoke from a motorbike,bend it in the right shape,weld it on a stainless acorn nut with the flanges turned off,screw a stainless bolt with the head cut off into the nut..........there you go!
Costs almost nothing.

looking at the indicators these are the euro spares ones
these are lucas l539 items that hurnleft used on his i believe

but i have been looking at beehive marker lights that may make a more economical alternative
slightly differnet lense and these are LED's you can get a chrome trim ring for them

I’ve often wondered about the legality of these “recreations”.

As I understand the DVLA rules regarding registering of vehicles if you alter the chassis or monocoque body you lose the identity of the original vehicle.

I see that GTO engineering supply an identical chassis to the original 250 SWB which must be different to that of a period or later car supplied by them or the customer (unless it’s an original 250 SWB, in which case it’s worth millions).

Having lost the original identity the car must be IVA’d before it can be registered and driven on the UK road. With things like spinners, snap exhausts and toggle switches, never mind all the sharp edges there is no way one of these cars would pass IVA.

I know a while back there were examples of people buying up old Duttons and illegally using their identity on other cars, is this any different?

yeah about £435,000 different
but i make you right ..seems that this is common practice in the ferrari world

It is not only in the Ferrari world this happens,i wonder how many Range Rovers are having a old chassisnumber.
Overhere in the Netherlands you can drive roadtax free if your car is 40 years or older,before this was 25 years or older so a lot of cars with big engines like R. Rovers,Yanks etc were running on LPG or diesel(Mercedeses)and used as a daily,when the rules chanced they became too expansive taxwise to drive.
So they bought a 40 year old wreck from the same type of car and switched the vin number to the new car.
I think with Ferrari's it is even more a fraude as i believe Maranello can provide you with an old vin number and paperwork as long as you pay.
It is the same as racehistorians find out when they are researching the history of a particular racing car,switching framenumbers etc.was very common at the factory,there are even cars which are having the same number,this was done so the Italian Tax department was fooled as Ferrari had to pay tax for every car they owned............Remember the Mafia is founded in Italy..........

There's your answer - the 'recreation' costs five grand, the other £435,000 is the bribe for the IVA examiner.