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I think peoples issue on here is that as a seasoned kit car enthusiast , you seem to have focused purely on registration issues and don't really contribute to the forum on any other level ...If you were a bit more vocal about other subjects , you wouldn't get the ''here we go again'' attitude ...just my opinion , not having a go ..just responding to your comments ....
I think this just came as a perfect storm, I don't often visit the forum, but I do like to lurk & look at some of the amazing work some of you guys do, I also cringe at some of the stuff others do. I had been discussing the issue of kitcars & what it says on the V5C with somebody that day & happened to stumble across this post that same night, so i asked the question & was immediately attacked, it appeared everybody on the site was in support of the fact it didn't matter, which I disagree with as it causes problems for the whole industry.
I totally respect your reasons ..I agree irregular V5c stuff is causing issues and de-valuing cars ...It's probably the slack attitude towards using any old V5 that has caused the new regulations to come in ...I do feel for guys who in recent times have bought cars on dubious id's ...it was all a lot easier a few years back and people got , and still are in many cases , very complacent .....
I'm not in the ''it doesn't matter'' camp ..because it does ..but I am realistic enough to know the hobby is littered with cars that were built and registered in easier times ...they will be here for years to come ...I just don't feel the desire to 'out' every potentially awkward car ..thats when people get defensive I think ...
Am I in the amazing work , ok work or cringey work category by the way !!
I regularly get customers who have a "iffy" registration and unfortunately there not much they can do about it without putting the car at risk .
My only advice to them is to make sure it's has a current MOT and it's insured properly ie; photos and spec sent to the insurance company so if the worst happen at least your covered as best you can.
Am I in the amazing work, ok work or cringey work category as well. ??
How can you make sure that an incorrectly registered kit car is 'insured properly'? I'm just curious, and hope that nobody thinks that I am a 'troll'.
For example, imagine a Cobra replica with a purpose built ladder chassis and glassfibre bodywork that the builder had used on old Spartan V5 for to avoid the expense and expertise of going through IVA. Sadly, this sort of thing happens. Would it be insured as a Cobra replica or as a Spartan?
Does sending photos and spec to the insurance company make things OK?
Would it work with a non kit car? Could a Jaguar registered as a Metro be insured?
How can you make sure that an incorrectly registered kit car is 'insured properly'? I'm just curious, and hope that nobody thinks that I am a 'troll'.
For example, imagine a Cobra replica with a purpose built ladder chassis and glassfibre bodywork that the builder had used on old Spartan V5 for to avoid the expense and expertise of going through IVA. Sadly, this sort of thing happens. Would it be insured as a Cobra replica or as a Spartan?
Does sending photos and spec to the insurance company make things OK?
Would it work with a non kit car? Could a Jaguar registered as a Metro be insured?
Stating the obvious, I know, but to be legal, car insurance is mandatory on public roads. Without it, if caught, a vehicle will be seized and crushed. Insurance companies aren't noted for their benevolence, to put it mildly. Any tiny inconsistency uncovered in the proposal will have the insurer rubbing gleeful hands in the event of a claim.
Sadly, it's not only the driver who stands to lose. I know I'd be mortified if I injured someone, even if blameless. If uninsured and blameworthy, apart from remorse in trumps, I'd be wide open to litigation. There are plenty of bloodsucking parasites (sorry, ambulance chasing injury lawyers) out there who love this sort of thing, it's their bread and butter. Loss of house? Possible. Bankruptcy? Possible.
Now back on ebay but £2k cheaper this time. If it came with a decent 6 cylinder motor I'd almost be tempted at that price. Need to get on with my Speedster first though.
Just in case anyone who's not familiar with the forum/a troll/etc. asks, it's still nothing to do with me despite the use of pictures of the (silver) car that I built, and the image of the red car still isn't either a Sammio or a Lancia D24.
This listing has now disappeared - I guess ebay had issues with it.
This is a historical problem that will never go away and many genuine enthusiast are caught-up in it.
My only advice is to do the best you can under the circumstances.
To put it another way , make sure the car is insured for what it is NOT what the V5 says.
So, if it's a Spartan chassis running a Cobra body and a V8 engine tell the insurance company it's a Spartan chassis running a Cobra body and a V8!! The insurance companies aren't stupid and if they wont insure it you can't drive it. .
Nothing is going to make it right and nothing will make an in-correctly registered car totally legal.
One of the main things to worry about is Road tax! It you running a doggy car and have claimed free "historic" road tax you are committing fraud, because you have knowingly de-fraud HMC out of the cost of the road tax, it you get "caught" they will prosecute you for fraud and that's serious !!
DVLA are now trying to shut-the-door on this practise, but the DVLA system was, is and will always be a mess as it's a government institution run by people who don't have a clue about the real world and who are answerable to no one .
At least VOSA have rule and stick to them!!!
Basically if you think or feel all is NOT correct, DON'T buy it, DON'T build it and finally DON'T drive it.
The police has had an amnesty on guns so why don't DVLA have an amnesty on V5's !!!!!
Nothing is going to make it right and nothing will make an in-correctly registered car totally legal.
🤐 IVA?
Yes it may be lots of work and some expense but most cars could be made to pass - and it’s the only way you’re legally going to register some of these ringers in the future.
As an aside, I really think a mod should move this discussion from the OP which is simply an advert for a rebodied separate chassis car that just needed the V5 amending (and not IVA as originally demanded).
"Basically if you think or feel all is NOT correct, DON'T buy it, DON'T build it and finally DON'T drive it."
Very wise words.
"IVA?"
Also very wise words.
As far as I can see, there are only three possible things to do with an incorrectly registered kit car: re-register it correctly with an IVA test, restrict it to off-road / track use only, or break it for spares. Using it on the road should not be an option. The thought of the IVA test may be intimidating, but surely if you have the motivation and talent to build a car, it should be possible? Admittedly, I built my kit car before SVA/IVA was introduced and all it needed was an MoT to register, so I don't have any experience of it yet.
I do not think it is the right attitude that if someone is driving an incorrectly registered kit car on the road and gets pulled and is prosecuted who cares as long as the car is not a danger to its driver or others and it is no business of anyone else.
"The police has had an amnesty on guns so why don't DVLA have an amnesty on V5's !!!!!"
They did, when the SVA was introduced. They reissued corrected V5s for kit cars still registered as the donor car provided it could be shown, with MoT or insurance certificates, that the car was in use since its construction. For example, there were Duttons which were described on their V5s as Ford Sports. DVLA reissued V5s which correctly described them as Duttons. This amnesty was a last chance to correct things before new builds were required to go through the SVA test.
Interesting to see what it makes in the current climate ...I hate those arch mods personally and a few other bits ..but its not mine , so there you are .... nice little car for the right person ...
Oh damn, I was looking forward to someone who’s been involved in the kit car world for 40 years being proved correct and finding that it really “should have been subject to an IVA or at least go down the radically altered vehicle route”
Interesting that you chose this Youtube video. Clearly a car that is registered as something it is most definitely not!! Apparently this is a 1500cc Riley.
Did you did this just to please Mr Pheaton..... you tease!
Regarding the current rebody trend, there is nothing to stop you putting a new body onto an existing kit car chassis. There are lots of options for all sorts of replicas and one offs if you put your mind to it. The same rules apply about not modifying the chassis from "standard".
Interesting that you chose this Youtube video. Clearly a car that is registered as something it is most definitely not!! Apparently this is a 1500cc Riley.
Did you did this just to please Mr Pheaton..... you tease!
Again, nothing to do with me despite the image of my old Spyder at the end of the pics. Looks like a decent project, if a bit pricey at the buy-it-now if it's missing the frame -
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