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From concept to reality

2 Aug 2015, 3:38pm
As I previously mentioned, Car Builder Solutions have got a big range of
rear lights and you can create your own by mixing `n matching differnt units.

http://www.carbuildersolutions.com/CBS_Catalogue.pdf

Just another idea on the front lights, have you thought about using Fiat 500
lights behind glass covers as seen on E type Jags and other classic sports cars.



2 Aug 2015, 4:24pm
DSG4ME wrote:

Just another idea on the front lights, have you thought about using Fiat 500
lights behind glass covers as seen on E type Jags and other classic sports cars.



That sounds like a good idea
2 Aug 2015, 6:10pm
This car is being based on the Z300s - I cant believe this hasn't been a more popular model.
Its a very pretty car and I almost just built an unmodified one.



It has a very large nose. Great on a 50's sports / racer but I want something more modern.



I love the low headlamp height and the way it rolls over the front wheels

If I take all the advice to put lamps behind lenses or use mini lamps then the nose will remain as long.



Now if you look at the Bertini - the lamps are higher dictated by the D type front end but the fiat lamps will allow the front to be shortened.
The dynamics will be different as the lamps are about 5" lower.

Chopping the nose off is also the basis of the cobra inspired front grille.
Chris instantly found a moulding that the front valance will be made from - giving the suggestion of the separate wing / bonnet elements.

If I was making the Zagato modern mini lamps or lamps behind covers is the way.

As for the rear lamps I will look at commercial units but the trouble with car builder lamps is they are recognised as kit car lamps- they can be found on every 3rd car at every show.
2 Aug 2015, 6:26pm
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I like the red detail on the lower edge of the grill aperture and the bonnet vent looks good
2 Aug 2015, 6:51pm
I like all in that last pic, even the grill, does it have a thicker lore edge? And is that a real body colour? What's it from?
3 Aug 2015, 10:27am
Its a bad picture as i was in a moving car (if there is any police reading then it was my co pilot who took the picture!) but you get the idea. i think it was a renault caravett...

4 Aug 2015, 7:59am
Just thought I would share a few pics
The z300s showing how sleek she is



Some pics that inspired my styling



old school beauty



new school beast
4 Aug 2015, 8:23am
Roadster wrote:



new school beast


I can see why you like this. What is it?
4 Aug 2015, 9:05am
This is the KC 427 a styling concept that didn't get past the computer render - although I found a similar shape someone is carving from foam.



Would have to be built on a cobra kit car chassis as the body tapers in far too much to fit on an existing body
4 Aug 2015, 9:07am
y cymro wrote:
I can see why you like this. What is it?


Note how modern head lamps are sat in a shallow recess
no need for covers but allows the profile to be kept



4 Aug 2015, 11:33am
I do hope your project resembles the KC 427, including the wide wings typical of the 427 Cobras.
7 Aug 2015, 6:58am
DSG4ME wrote:
I do hope your project resembles the KC 427, including the wide wings typical of the 427 Cobras.


The Z300s has wider wings than the z3 as it was designed to accommodate WCA's wire wheels and adapters.

The trick is to exaggerate the proportions.



This is a pic of a KC427 replica in foam - notice the headlamps are a little more inboard and lines suggest the arch extension.

The fiat lamps require a gap to their outer the mounting bracket is there.

Chris shares my vision and just as soon as I make it to the head of the queue im sure progress will be swift.
7 Aug 2015, 6:05pm
Here are a couple of photos of the only KC 427 that (I think) was ever built.
I believe it was renamed the KC500R.





7 Aug 2015, 6:20pm
That looks great but its spoilt by the stupid chrome wheels
7 Aug 2015, 6:25pm


thanks for the info DSG

Not so sure about the shape from this angle
7 Aug 2015, 6:43pm


The line on top of the wings remind me of when you see someone who has ironed his denim jeans

It seems to have lost some of its curves from the render.

But even the Puritalia evolved from its original sketch



Im sure my sketch will evolve when Chris breathes life into it.
But I don't think we will see squared off shapes, Tributes are full of curves
7 Aug 2015, 7:10pm
Are you planning on using anything with the z3 doors or the small window to the piller?

I really like the sound of this 'modern' car you have in concept but I really think its going to be spoiled by using a z3
7 Aug 2015, 7:39pm
The tailights in the sketch remind me of the fiat punto Grande .
7 Aug 2015, 8:01pm
Danny_HUFC wrote:
Are you planning on using anything with the z3 doors or the small window to the piller?

I really like the sound of this 'modern' car you have in concept but I really think its going to be spoiled by using a z3


no all original
you will see it because you know what it is but most wont

look at the other tributes you don't see the z3 when you look at swb 250 convertible
7 Aug 2015, 10:54pm
The swb convertible has door skins over and different handles.
8 Aug 2015, 5:58am
Originally Posted by Danny_HUFC View Post
Are you planning on using anything with the z3 doors or the small window to the piller?

I really like the sound of this 'modern' car you have in concept but I really think its going to be spoiled by using a z3


Roadster wrote:
no all original
you will see it because you know what it is but most wont

look at the other tributes you don't see the z3 when you look at swb 250 convertible


Sorry Danny your right of course the swb does have door skins.
Your previous comment led me to believe it was the quarter lights you were questioning.



You made a great job on reshaping the corners of the doors and I know you shaved the door handles. But because we all know its a Z3 I still see Z3 doors and that's my point.

We build Tributes because they are good value and they go together quickly.

We can buy Cobra replicas or bespoke kits with new chassis and build times in years not days with the dreaded SVA at the end but we choose not to.

For me your Kobra with unmodified doors would still look amazing with 99% of all viewing none the wiser.
8 Aug 2015, 9:16am
I only say it as its the 1 thing that I think spoils my car! I did origionally try to have the quater glass and pillar removed but to have been able to make it work I would have lost the electric windows asthe motor was in the way. Il try and dig out te photo of what I tried to do. I think its on the origional kobra thread.
8 Aug 2015, 9:21am
Somthing like this, if you get what i mean...

8 Aug 2015, 5:45pm
Would triumph tr7 window mechanicals work they seem to have angled windows.
8 Aug 2015, 6:21pm
I would rather keep the bmw windows
Better to have something that works and works well than a bodged together set up , that doesn't seal properly all that wind noise and rain get in