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Mister Towed's SWB 250GT SEFAC build.

26 Mar 2015, 7:10pm
Mister Towed wrote:
Those sound very interesting Rob, please keep us updated with progress and pictures. :)


Yes please post up as many photos as possible
26 Mar 2015, 8:25pm
And if you need a thread to hijack feel free to use this one. I'm not that precious about it being my page. :)
26 Mar 2015, 9:44pm
Tyre ratings

Mister Towed, in another thread:

http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/forum/showpost.php?p=64943&postcount=1006

You gave some very helpful advice about tyre choices which is simply presented and to the point.

However, what do we do if there isn't an 'official' specification? Suitable for the purpose... How long is a piece of string.

My Marlin Berlinetta was 'available' in two broad specifications, 2 litre Ford Cortina with Cortina suspension, brakes etc., or Rover V8 3500cc, same suspension (wheels and tyres?) and brakes in both cases.

While the car is obviously more powerful in the V8 spec, I can not find any guidance in my build manual about the correct tyre sizes or ratings for either spec.

My simplistic logic suggests because the car is lighter, the amount of power and stress on the tyres will be less, even allowing for the fact that the V8 engine is more powerful. The original Cortina was just short of 1000Kg, a tad more with up to 5 occupants. The Rover SD1 V8 around 1,250Kg + up to 5 occupants. I estimate the Marlin will be 750-800Kg + 2 occupants, significantly lighter.

Where do I (and many other Kit car users) stand? The car was built in 1985, so a lot has changed in the sense of risk assessment and applied regulations. I suspect most of the Kit Cars of that era were designed on the back of a fag packet and in chalk on the works floor, Perhaps they still are???

My MOT garage takes the view that given most kit Cars are self build, provided they are well assembled, well maintained and not obviously dangerous, they are OK. Their standpoint is they are not qualified to state what specification should apply. They tend to apply the old maxim that if they would be prepared to use the car themselves, it should pass.

My own feeling is that using 185HR 14 or 205HR 15 tyres should be a reasonable choice, because the original Rover V8's were fitted with the 185HR 14 tyres.
27 Mar 2015, 7:29am
Hi Ed, the thread where the tyre speed rating was being discussed is for a car where the modern donor can run up to a (limited?) 155mph top speed, and people are already talking about turbos and superchargers.

Obviously, the performance potential of those cars plus the easy access to information about the donor vehicle makes it easy for a collision investigator to check whether the tyres fitted are correct for the car.

Where 'classic' based kit cars are concerned there are two factors at play - one is that the data isn't available off the shelf to check, and the second is that pretty much nothing that got used as a donor back in the day could exceed 120mph anyway.

I'd say that a Rover V8 Marlin (with about 150bhp?) would, depending on the gearing, be all done aerodynamically by about 110mph, and more power wouldn't necessarily add much to the top speed, just the acceleration. As such, you could put hand on heart in Court and state that the H rated tyres you fitted were definitely suitable for that vehicle.

The current BMW based Marlin Sportster, however, would quite possibly need V, W, Y or Z rated tyres.

As for availability, generally speaking, kits using older donors (Sammio/Miglia) use classic wheels and classic tyres are available to suit, while more modern donors (Z3/MX5) tend to use modern wheels and modern tyres are also available to suit.

After two years driving my Spyder on modern roads my advice would just be 'don't skimp on safety'.
27 Mar 2015, 10:33am
Thank you for your input Mr T, It's nice to have one's own thoughts confirmed. These days things don't always seem to follow conventional logic!

The only reason I have gone with the Rover V8 is for grunt, we have lot's of big hills around here; also the ability to pull a reasonably tall 5th gear at 70 on the motorway for effortless cruising and hopefully, reasonable economy given the engine size. I have no interest in high speed or racing but possibly the occasional classic endurance trial.
27 Mar 2015, 4:57pm
What a great looking example, certainly some inspiration there.
29 Mar 2015, 9:09am
Ferrari Berlinetta SWB 250GT SEFAC Hot Rod

Mister Towed wrote:
What a great looking example, certainly some inspiration there.


So there I was, leafing through a "Million Dollar Classics" book in "The Works" yesterday when I spotted a Ferrari Berlinetta SWB 250GT SEFAC Hot Rod in dark blue.

Interesting, I thought- so interesting that I didn't even notice what wheels it had fitted but it did have... chrome bumpers.

Quarters at the front but a full width one at the rear- has anyone sourced these???
29 Mar 2015, 9:48am
IanA wrote:
So there I was, leafing through a "Million Dollar Classics" book in "The Works" yesterday when I spotted a Ferrari Berlinetta SWB 250GT SEFAC Hot Rod in dark blue.

Interesting, I thought- so interesting that I didn't even notice what wheels it had fitted but it did have... chrome bumpers.

Quarters at the front but a full width one at the rear- has anyone sourced these???
think you'll have to make your own or find something similar that fits

maybe some moulded glassfibre items with chrome powder coating ?


looking at the pics they are def. more involved

and the rear with the long spears back to the rear arches


may be its a case of looking at older items for a better shape like these

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLASSIC-SIMCA-1100-GLS-QUARTER-BUMPERS-CLASSIC-CAR-PART-/271793042766?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3f4820b54e#ht_118wt_1348
29 Mar 2015, 10:10am
[Police Loud Hailer Voice]

STOP!

Put the photos of, and links to, bumpers down.

Now step away from the tread with your hands on your head.


[/Police Loud Hailer Voice]

:icon_wink:
29 Mar 2015, 10:52am
Paul L wrote:
[Police Loud Hailer Voice]

STOP!

Put the photos of, and links to, bumpers down.

Now step away from the tread with your hands on your head.


[/Police Loud Hailer Voice]

:icon_wink:
:hail: :tape::sorry:

glad you stopped me i was on a mission to find some suitable items ..i've edited my post a little:focus:
29 Mar 2015, 1:09pm
maybe tribute at some point may add them as an extra in fibreglass? ...along with a replica dash/door cards

chris?....
29 Mar 2015, 4:04pm
E type versions look good for the front. Molded with fibreglass and filled with expanding foam would give a nice classic version of a crumple zone/splitter. Not too ball barish either. Back of the bumper could be cut to allow a snug fit or extended for extra travel :-). Only thought i had was how to attach them eg a bolt on rod or clamp to the donor.
29 Mar 2015, 6:21pm
I am not, but if I was building this car, I'd probably make a Spitfire rear bumper fit.
Readily available and relatively cheap

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29 Mar 2015, 6:33pm
I know this is Mister Towed's build, so he can do what ever he likes.

But I really think this car looks miles better without bumpers. :cool:

29 Mar 2015, 7:16pm
Got to agree with Paul that it looks better without the bumpers, but for anyone who wants the Lusso look rather than the race look, the Spitfire bumper looks to have real possibilities - a whole one at the back and the ends cut off for the front maybe?
29 Mar 2015, 10:21pm
Perhaps a Spitty bumper may be a bit cheaper? :-)

Yes Mr T, with a bit chopped off the two arms methinks.
30 Mar 2015, 8:28am
Scottie22 wrote:
Perhaps a Spitty bumper may be a bit cheaper? :-)

Yes Mr T, with a bit chopped off the two arms methinks.
and the middle bit swapped upside down to do away with the number plate light hole
30 Mar 2015, 5:35pm
NeilF355 wrote:
Could you use the rear bumperettes from the Austin Healey for the front quarters? These are on eBay
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321709993711?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649


They look like they could work, as could the similar (proper) Mini ones at under £30 per pair new.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A-BRAND-NEW-PAIR-OF-CHROME-MINI-BUMPER-OVERRIDERS-WITH-ALL-FIXINGS-/171733796040?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item27fc21c4c8

I'm not going to be fitting bumpers to mine as I'm aiming for a 'Lusso adapted for the track' look, a sort of gentleman's weekend luxury racer rather than an out and out race car or junior limo.

It's always interesting to see the ideas people have as to how other/unusual parts can be adapted to suit a kit car, so feel free to use this thread to discuss any ideas you might have. :first:
30 Mar 2015, 6:03pm
...speaking of which, my side repeater indicators turned up today -







They're NOS (new, old stock) from the Autobianchi A112



They cost me £31 including p&p from Greece via ebay.

I'm really pleased with them, they look the part, the quality is what I'd describe as good enough and they have a pleasingly period feel to them as they've been sitting unused on a shelf since about 1970.

Whatever did we do for spare and rare parts before the internet put us in touch with sellers anywhere in the world?

And I was a luddite who spent years ignoring the 'web, believing it to be of no use to me personally. How wrong I was...
30 Mar 2015, 7:45pm
Mister Towed wrote:
...speaking of which, my side repeater indicators turned up today -



They're NOS (new, old stock) from the Autobianchi A112

They cost me £31 including p&p from Greece via ebay.
.


They look ideal. Do you have the URL/ebay link?