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A glut of summer Sammio Sales!

19 Aug 2012, 3:56pm
'...alot of time and money and effort was spent on that car....'

Clearly something is amiss. Name calling aside, if a lot of time, money and effort was spent on the car in question, which 'micha' indicates is less than satisfactory, and if the build standards are alleged to be so bad (which must have been obvious) then why buy? Most of the faults mentioned were there
seen.

Even a layman would suspect that over-spray etc might point to a different set of build standards than that engendered by a factory supplied part built kit. For the most part these cars are 'amateur' built (ex-aero engineers excepted). It is the buyers responsibility to ensure that they are getting what they pay for, while the seller (who is possibly also the builder) has obligations to ensure the legality of the vehicle and the safety of the purchaser.

Some would also (rightly) argue that the seller/builder has a moral and ethical duty to point out any known faults, areas of concern and possible mechanical failure points, especially to a layman who may not appreciate the foibles of a fifty/sixty year old design and early generation brakes, suspension and steering, let alone greasing bearings regularly or ensuring the safety/security of wire wheels and their splined converters.

Of course it is possible to give a notional value to the completed builds on the website based on the build blog, i.r.o. the expertise and knowledge shown, general build quality and finish and engine size and specification.

However I suspect that there is indeed a hidden agenda to attack the marque, its designer and its builders for reasons, perhaps, known only to 'micha'.
19 Aug 2012, 4:21pm
micha wrote:


...my comments should give others some ideas how those cars are built, or what you will expect.


Your comments are your views, how these cars could be built, how can you blanket every build with this statement.

Perhaps your real meaning is lost in translation, I hope...
19 Aug 2012, 4:40pm
micha wrote:
i´m the only one highlighting other people´s mistakes).


I'm sorry matey, i've given you the benefit of the doubt so far and i've even gone so far as sort-of defending your forum posting style to others in case we were just misinterpreting you, but it's the sentiment you're outlining in this statement that get's everyone's goat!

We all make mistakes and on here we all comment all the time on each others builds and i'm certainly the biggest critic of my own car. But what you have been doing is not just pointing out peoples mistakes, but just being plain rude!


micha wrote:

the lights on the car work...but: 2 stage switch for side and driving light: stage 1: zero light, stage 2: side and driving light. stalk on steering column which operates high beam: position high beam = driving lightsare ON, position driving lights=side lights only...and everyhting with a valid MOT.....


My lights are correct as per the service manual and haynes manual description and they work as follows:

2 stage switch, that is actually a 1 stage switch that turns them, on/off
Then the column stalk operates as follows:
  • up - sides
  • middle - main
  • down - driving.


Trying to decypher what you have written, seems to fit with this?

And if there are ways of selecting all of the different settings (which i think you are saying despite being confused about how they work) then what has this got to do with the MOT?


micha wrote:


after further investigations the engine seems to be dead....low on compression, carb worn out



PLEASE stop over exaggerating! Dead=dead i.e. doesn't work at all.

What you describe is just an old engine by the sounds of things that may benefit by more money being thrown at it?



micha wrote:

@mulberry: i appreciate that you spent a lot of time and money in that car....and it looks like you started in the right way...but the last finish in nearly every area of the car failed.


HOW DARE YOU make such a rude and impolite statement on what is one of the friendliest and closest forums i've ever had the privilege to be part of!!

As others have said, after we've seen you build a car or some of the cars you've built then we'll take your "opinion" <- NOTE: most of what you state is opinion rather than fact! a bit more seriously.
But even then, there is no excuse whatsoever to be so rude and demeaning in commenting on others work!

I REALLY hope that we are misinterpreting what you are saying, or that you're not coming across as intended in writing and i look forward to meeting you one day and comparing cars, but in the meantime please can you just try and be a bit more positive and considerate to others as at the moment you're just winding everyone up!

Dave
19 Aug 2012, 5:26pm
On another forum I use the traditional advice is not to feed the troll.

But just this once, I'll bite...

micha wrote:
... i´m critisizing not in the politest way...


micha - And that quite simply is the point.

micha wrote:
... also i do not need to prove how good my, and my mates skills are nor we need to reproduce ourselves with pictures on the web ...


Then why go out of your way to prove how bad everyone else is?

Or is this part of a wider campaign to fix all that is wrong with the internet? :rolleyes:

You know full well this has nothing to do with you being a " forum nobody".

But if you post like a troll, react like a troll & insult like a troll...

Then to the casual observer you are in fact a ...



:wink:

If the way things are done on this forum offends you so deeply, simply ignore it.

We'll just muddle along and do the best we can and take the risk of missing out on your help.

Cheers, Paul. :)
19 Aug 2012, 5:58pm
micha wrote:
both auctions, ended yesterday have reach almost the same price...slightly over 4k...and the metallic red one is far, far, far better in condition than the red one.


Do you remember writing this Micha? I have not been able to take a word you have written since this post seriously. You judged the condition of two cars based on a few photo's of each one and it now seems to have backfired on you.

Your doom and gloom posts used to annoy me but I now see some comedy value in your writing and the way that you constantly contradict yourself. I now see you in the same light as a monty python movie, rarely factually correct, a bit silly and if viewed without a sense of humour, could be considered offensive however as soon as you understand that its just a bit of fun, its hilarious. Just remember, You are not the messiah........
19 Aug 2012, 5:58pm
You never know there might be something about the big noses and the meek, oh sod it, i'm going to the stoning now wheres my packet of gravel?
19 Aug 2012, 6:13pm
It does take all sorts to make the world go round!

As I keep reminding my kids, "it is not what you say, but how you say it" :fish:

Micha, I am sure that you and your mate will sort it all out and be happy and confident to post pics for us all to critique in due course, so at the moment, we won't question your ability.

The problem is that you seem to not have a clue what you are talking about, so maybe just pause before you write your posts.

For example, poly bushes are not necessarily the only way to refurbish the chassis. I have used new rubber bushes all round out of choice. Personally I think they give a less harsh ride and since the Spyder is lighter there will be less stress. Mine is not a racer, but a casual fun toy, that hasn't seen over 70mph and that is how I like it. so rubber suits me. If you bought my car, that would at least give you something to have a go at, but completely unjustified.

I put together a full build diary at www.mysammiospyder.co.uk so I can share my thoughts and ideas with like-minded builders.

I did a Herald 13/60 up a few years ago, and it was sold as a "runner" with a MOT, but on closer inspection it was a wreck. I didn't phone up the previous owner, or post anything on the Triumph forums, I just got on and rebuilt it from the ground up.

So what i am trying to say Micha, is that you earn respect from people, not from what you say, but by your actions. Dissappear for a few months, and come back with a jaw-dropping rebuild, that takes what you have got and adds your own style and personality to it. Then we will respect you for what you have done, not what you say you can do. :sad:
20 Aug 2012, 8:21am
And so, the Troll bows out....:whoo:
20 Aug 2012, 12:21pm
micha wrote:

i will say now good bye and happy botching!!!! good luck for your wrecks!!!!


bye bye
20 Aug 2012, 1:57pm
May your spleen never transform into a solution to the European Union's impending energy crisis and become a battlefield for an upcoming war to end all wars. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
20 Aug 2012, 3:13pm
all the comments that German bloke said... wot was his name again KNOB HEAD.. i found up setting, because i still know it was built to a nice standard
and any English person would been more than happy with it,im still sad because i had to sell it, but its nice to know my fellow sammio builders, were in my corner...thanks again guys

and happy sammio building
20 Aug 2012, 4:00pm
And should the time come when you can build another one, we'll still be here for you.
20 Aug 2012, 4:23pm
micha wrote:

the chassis´s repair welding are botched in most areas. ..we have rarely seen such worse welds than those...also my mate confirmed that he will need to re-weld the ones in the most visible areas.


I see, you've bought an utter death-trap and are planning to make it look roadworthy before selling it on to some sucker for a profit. Excellent Smithers, excellent...
20 Aug 2012, 6:47pm
Right guys, enough of the troll who hadn't a clue what a Sammio is or isn't supposed to be!

Spotted this one on Fleabay a few days ago, surprised no one has brought it up yet - seems like a nice build, with the early 'German' style' bonnet. Unfortunately no credit to Sammio in the description...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1963-TRIUMPH-BLUE-ORANGE-/120968141451?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D27%26meid%3D1465185092227275886%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D1011%26rk%3D1%26

Hope the link works... edit: seems to work!

Baz from Brussels
20 Aug 2012, 8:30pm
Does look good, no overspray, no obvious welding issues....ahem.

Perhaps someone should enquire if the vehicle is listed as a 'Triumph' on the V5?
24 Aug 2012, 7:22pm
Will it pass a German MOT?
24 Aug 2012, 8:00pm
oxford1360 wrote:
Will it pass a German MOT?


No chance! Overspray, the grill is black and the car is far too red!
25 Aug 2012, 10:29am
Alpha wrote:
Right guys, enough of the troll who hadn't a clue what a Sammio is or isn't supposed to be!

Spotted this one on Fleabay a few days ago, surprised no one has brought it up yet - seems like a nice build, with the early 'German' style' bonnet. Unfortunately no credit to Sammio in the description...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1963-TRIUMPH-BLUE-ORANGE-/120968141451?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D27%26meid%3D1465185092227275886%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D1011%26rk%3D1%26

Hope the link works... edit: seems to work!

Baz from Brussels


I think thats body number 2 .....The one Barry Mays started with...If it is , he has done a nice job of sorting that out....
25 Aug 2012, 10:30am
Dave next door to me has got his on Ebay as well.....doors and a Vitesse base.

He has prov. sold it subject to a deposit for just a bit under the asking price.....
29 Aug 2012, 9:45am
Noticed Dave's car sold for £7.500. That's more like it :biggrin:
29 Aug 2012, 9:53am
Nein, nein, nein! Es ist es nicht wert! Mein Kumpel und ich am besten kenne!

But seriously, that is good news.
29 Aug 2012, 1:32pm
Aufmerksamkeit. Es gibt keine über gischt!

Very good news.
29 Aug 2012, 10:27pm
Or, as the great Python team would say mein Luftkissenfahrzeug ist voller Aale! :eusa_dance: