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I know I'll get shot down in flames "you're a troll' etc. as I am daring to say something against one of your pals, but to me the advert is confusing. Does the V5C relate to the chassis being provided or for the original chassis?
I know I'll get shot down in flames "you're a troll' etc. as I am daring to say something against one of your pals, but to me the advert is confusing. Does the V5C relate to the chassis being provided or for the original chassis?
Hi Phaeton, that's not a Troll type outrageous statement but a legitimate question. As I said at the outset, this ad is nothing to do with me and I don't know the seller.
Not sure how familiar you are with the Sammio rebody concept, but the V5 will be for the Triumph chassis. Once the Spyder body is bonded on, the builder makes an application to DVLA to change the identity to something that reflects the changes. I believe that is now done once you've MOT'd it in its new form, but I'm sure someone will be along shortly with a link to the current procedure (Paul?)
I'm a bit uncomfortable regarding the seller's use of images of 'my' Spyder (the silver one in case you weren't aware) as I no longer own the car and have a feeling that the new owner should have been asked first. I don't think it's worth trying to have them removed though as they're not copyrighted and I don't want to stir up a hornet's nest out of a molehill...
I know I'll get shot down in flames "you're a troll' etc. as I am daring to say something against one of your pals, but to me the advert is confusing. Does the V5C relate to the chassis being provided or for the original chassis?
Ask the seller ...It doesn't say either way , but if a buyer has any concerns about that , they can be told which chassis has the V5 , if both haven't got id's and they can make the decision as to whether they choose to use the registered chassis or the unregistered one ...
I think the picture of a car that isn't actually a Sammio is more confusing !
I think that lead picture is a Morgan Special built in the U.S.
I know I'll get shot down in flames "you're a troll' etc. as I am daring to say something against one of your pals, but to me the advert is confusing. Does the V5C relate to the chassis being provided or for the original chassis?
Why not go and ask the guy selling the bits no of us know him
You are asking the questions on THIS forum with THIS community of users. Once again you appear to be challenging the users on here about a case that apparently has nothing to do with any of us. You are not adding any value here.
You are asking the questions on THIS forum with THIS community of users. Once again you appear to be challenging the users on here about a case that apparently has nothing to do with any of us. You are not adding any value here.
Is that not what I did last time? I had no comprehension that previously anyone knew the seller, it was a question about the validity of the documentation, as is this, last time you all jumped to the sellers defence, but it appears this time as you (collective you, not personal you) don't know the seller he is to be treat differently.
This whole issue has wide implications for the whole of the litcar industry, just look at Dutton's for instance, is it right that there are cars which did not exit the Dutton factory are running around with their V5C's claiming to be Dutton's & have not passed any IVA? I do understand this is not the same situation, but it is a very grey area which does the whole kitcar scene any good.
To Mr Towed if you have concerns about the images which are yours then I suggest contacting Ebay, but depending where they are currently available he maybe legally be able to use them, Copyright law is not my area & has some very strange exemptions.
The ebay seller looks, at face value, like a genuine business but does seem to be in the habit of 'borrowing' other peoples pictures as you will see in their web page here....
(for readers who don't know, both the Sammio's in the picture were built by well known members of this forum and to the best of my knowledge their cars have not passed through this dealers hand)
No it is wasn’t, because you used the word ‘ringer’ which means as a stolen car with a changed identity.
Which means any point you were trying to make was lost by accusing someone of being a car thief without providing any evidence.
At no point did I accuse anyone of stealing, that is your interpretation, the word 'ringer' does not mean stolen, it's means a vehicle whose identify does not match the documentation. Although a vehicle that has been 'rung' could well be stolen, but it was clear in this instance it wasn't as you yourself put "Well, the good news is that just adding a stripe and some racing numbers increases a car's value by almost £2k" & that 'Micky' had sold it 2 weeks early on Ebay.
Paul L wrote:
If you are not a Troll, why not take a step back and start afresh by explaining why you decided to join a kit car forum in the first place?
Having been involved in kitcar's now for nearly 40 years (first purchase 1979) joining a kitcar forum seemed a logical thing to do, however why I should justify myself to you is beyond me, are you the owner of the site? In future please read what I write, not what you think I write.
I'm happy to discuss it with you Phaeton ...I totally get what your argument is , and you obviously know the kit car world and the Hot Rod world is full of cars with dubious or inaccurate registration issues ...each time DVLA amend the rules , it cleans some of it up and filters out real problem cars .....next years changes will do even more to clean up the system too ... Some of these cars were built at a time when it wasn't really an issue ...I have built cars in the past where virtually nothing was left of the original car , I have built new build cars back in the 90's where the V5 came from a third party donor which provided nothing to the table ...I have ''lost'' Q plate registrations and ''found'' age related registrations to help things on a bit .......it was going on all the time , an open secret , no one was fooling anyone ...... 90% of the Hot Rod world was doing it .....but , as times change , it has meant that the authorities are squeezing this issue , blaming coming in line with Europe , but we are trying to run away from Europe , so I don't buy that ...I just think they want to clean up the situation , make those extra V5's people have in the kitchen drawer harder to be of any value etc... any dormant V5's now are possibly subject to an inspection when resurrected ...so , its all getting sorted out ..kind of ...
I think peoples issue on here is that as a seasoned kit car enthusiast , you seem to have focused purely on registration issues and don't really contribute to the forum on any other level ...If you were a bit more vocal about other subjects , you wouldn't get the ''here we go again'' attitude ...just my opinion , not having a go ..just responding to your comments ....
Ironically , the S*mmio , Miglia , Formosa , Tribute range of cars are probably amongst the 'safest' range of cars in the whole registration debate ....taking advantage of the 8 point rulings and avoiding IVA. ( A big factor in my reasons for starting the S*mmio range in the first place as I could see the Hot Rod world getting harder and harder to survive in on a professional level )
I'd hate to see you banned or blocked , sometimes heated debate can result in that ...You clearly are an enthusiast with passion ..that's a valuable kind of forum member to have on here and I'd be very interested to know you on a more productive level than the one we are on right now ....
If any prospective buyers of the car being offered on ebay at present are reading this ....It might be worth asking the sellers if you can return the car to them for paint after you have fully fitted the body , made the cuts and tweaks they need etc. ...obviously geographical and financial restrictions might not make that practical , but if it was possible , that's the only way I see a paintjob to add any value to the package being offered ...
Just to add, over the last few month I have sent 2 old style "blue" V5's to DVLA and both times they have requested detailed photos of the cars they represent before they will issue a new V5 !!!
Recently I'v also come across problems with V5's for rolling chassis.
DVLA now seem want photos of the original car before it was stripped and if you can't provide them the origins of the rolling chassis are in question even though you have all the relevant V5, VIN tag, engine number ect, so be warned.
I think your right they are "closing the kitchen draw" so my advice to anyone starting a build or taking on a project is MAKE SURE there is a PHOTOCRAFIC HISTORY to support your build/conversion.
At the end-of-the-day DVLA have the last word, good or bad !!!!!!
Ideally if your starting a build start a thread on this forum.
I had a complete Herald sat at the shop and sent the old V5 in to do a standard change of ownership ...the car had been mothballed for over 30 years , so no MOT history or Tax history since the 80's ...the V5 was issued in about 86 from memory...DVLA requested an inspection due to the amount of time off the road , I reckon they suspected it was a 'kitchen drawer' situation and the car was long gone...SCS came along and made an inspection report stating the car was incomplete ( headlight glasses and surrounds and Speedo sat on the back seat ) DVLA issued a letter stating that they won't issue a V5c until the car has a full MOT . I think that they might still have thought the car was going to be scrapped and it was a V5c creation exercise...
The car was MOT'd about 6 months later ...you have an open file for 12 months with case like this before they return your application.
Something that goes to show how things are changing as Micky says , even having a complete car sat there that has all VIN and engine numbers matching isn't always enough to guarantee getting a V5c issued unconditionally ...
....Recently I'v also come across problems with V5's for rolling chassis.
DVLA now seem want photos of the original car before it was stripped and if you can't provide them the origins of the rolling chassis are in question even though you have all the relevant V5, VIN tag, engine number ect, so be warned.
I think your right they are "closing the kitchen draw" so my advice to anyone starting a build or taking on a project is MAKE SURE there is a PHOTOCRAFIC HISTORY to support your build/conversion.
At the end-of-the-day DVLA have the last word, good or bad !!!!!!
Ideally if your starting a build start a thread on this forum.
Hi Micky,
How did you solve the problem with DVLA in the case mentioned above (only having a rolling chassis and not the whole car). Did you managed to change V5 and register the kit car?
I will have the same battle on my hands I guess, as I have only bought a rolling chassis after the car was stripped. Can you offer some advice please?
Deni The issue I mentioned was sorted out mainly because I got the rolling chassis from a Triumph breaker and he was able to confirm (in writing) that he stripped the car to sell me the rolling chassis less engine.
This was backed up with a paid invoice.
DVLA seem to deal with each case as they see fit so advice is difficult.
Do you have a up-to-date V5?
If you do send it off, if you don't apply for a new V5, as getting a current V5 in your name is the first step.
DVLA seem to deal with each case as they see fit so advice is difficult.
+1 on that ...I always put a reference to a previous application on the extra notes section ...just in case the person processing it needs a reference to a similar situation to help them identify whats required. ......
I was getting no where with an application a while back , the guy kept calling it a kit re-build and needed IVA ...He couldn't get his head round the whole re-body thing ...
Luckily I phoned to dispute it on his day off , his colleague asked me to run through it and he said , ''Oh , a S*mmio Spyder , I have done a few of those ...I'll explain it to him when he gets back in tomorrow ....''
Micky and Gary - thank you for the info fellas. I have already transfered the V5 on my name. I have bought the engine and the chassis (with the original plate showing the chassis/body number that is normally attached to the bulkhead) from a well known Triumph restorer, so I hope all will be ok.
So if you know him it's acceptable? If you don't it's not?
No the first time you came screaming ringer etc ...it was stated that Mick would assist with registration ... as explained before it was simple change on the logbook required but not having changed it first would help him possibly sell it abroad .
The eBay Ad states something with a v5 and another chassis with no mention f a v5 ...you are asking us questions about the what the guy is selling ...we don't know ...hence why I said go and ask him ...
I had a complete Herald sat at the shop and sent the old V5 in to do a standard change of ownership ...the car had been mothballed for over 30 years , so no MOT history or Tax history since the 80's ...the V5 was issued in about 86 from memory...DVLA requested an inspection due to the amount of time off the road , I reckon they suspected it was a 'kitchen drawer' situation and the car was long gone...SCS came along and made an inspection report stating the car was incomplete ( headlight glasses and surrounds and Speedo sat on the back seat ) DVLA issued a letter stating that they won't issue a V5c until the car has a full MOT . I think that they might still have thought the car was going to be scrapped and it was a V5c creation exercise...
The car was MOT'd about 6 months later ...you have an open file for 12 months with case like this before they return your application.
Something that goes to show how things are changing as Micky says , even having a complete car sat there that has all VIN and engine numbers matching isn't always enough to guarantee getting a V5c issued unconditionally ...
I can see this being a problem for older donors in the future. Many older donors like your Triumph that have been off the road for years could need a major restoration in their own right to pass an MOT. Then you would have to strip away all your hard work to get to the rolling chassis that you want to use.
Under the new rules your rusty old donor would technically be exempt from the MOT, whilst your newly created rebody with rebuilt brakes, clean and rust free chassis would need one !! ??
Now back on ebay but £2k cheaper this time. If it came with a decent 6 cylinder motor I'd almost be tempted at that price. Need to get on with my Speedster first though.
Just in case anyone who's not familiar with the forum/a troll/etc. asks, it's still nothing to do with me despite the use of pictures of the (silver) car that I built, and the image of the red car still isn't either a Sammio or a Lancia D24.
