Photos
Thanks Kidge, I may take you up on that later but just at the moment I am having to absorb a lot of new (old) information.
4 Jun 2015, 9:29am
F 275gtb/z3
4 Jun 2015, 9:42am
Refresher
Here is a review of how things are looking:
[/ATTACH]
Here is a review of how things are looking:
[/ATTACH]
23 Jun 2015, 4:58pm
Looking good!!
24 Jun 2015, 8:18am
I have copied this reply from another thread.
"I "lurk" here on the forum but read along a lot of the tribute threads and of course George's 275 thread. I felt compelled to respond here as this is something I'm personally working on... as my user name might suggest.
This is a tricky car to do as a tribute instead of a replica. The visual proportions of the original car are much different from any modern car and the iconic bubble windshield and low slung body exaggerate its looks even further. In my opinion the coupe lends itself well as a tribute on the z3 donor because the roof/greenhouse can balance the changed proportions of the front; however, I'm not sure it will work well as a convertible without changing the proportions significantly. For the NART spyder the rear would have to be substantially shortened and the spoiler less pronounced to balance with the long nose but short area between the wheel arch and door/a pillar. The 250 SWB convertible and coupe work great on the z3 because the front does not have covered headlights and is much more stubby. I think what George and tribute will turn out will both look phenomenal still and I'm anxious to see the work in progress. Sorry if I'm veering off the original topic!"
275 NART, you have summed up the problem very well - it is what I have referred to as "configuration". The nose is very long, the distance from the door to the rear arch is very short and the roof is very low compared to modern cars. I have used the Z3 as a donor, following Tribute Automotive's lead as all the panels simply unbolt but it is difficult to maintain the characteristic style of the 275 and that would be further lost with the NART back end. It would be great if there existed a ready made chassis of the right proportions but the cost of making a bespoke one is beyond the means of most people on this forum and then there is the cost of making that beautiful screen.
"I "lurk" here on the forum but read along a lot of the tribute threads and of course George's 275 thread. I felt compelled to respond here as this is something I'm personally working on... as my user name might suggest.
This is a tricky car to do as a tribute instead of a replica. The visual proportions of the original car are much different from any modern car and the iconic bubble windshield and low slung body exaggerate its looks even further. In my opinion the coupe lends itself well as a tribute on the z3 donor because the roof/greenhouse can balance the changed proportions of the front; however, I'm not sure it will work well as a convertible without changing the proportions significantly. For the NART spyder the rear would have to be substantially shortened and the spoiler less pronounced to balance with the long nose but short area between the wheel arch and door/a pillar. The 250 SWB convertible and coupe work great on the z3 because the front does not have covered headlights and is much more stubby. I think what George and tribute will turn out will both look phenomenal still and I'm anxious to see the work in progress. Sorry if I'm veering off the original topic!"
275 NART, you have summed up the problem very well - it is what I have referred to as "configuration". The nose is very long, the distance from the door to the rear arch is very short and the roof is very low compared to modern cars. I have used the Z3 as a donor, following Tribute Automotive's lead as all the panels simply unbolt but it is difficult to maintain the characteristic style of the 275 and that would be further lost with the NART back end. It would be great if there existed a ready made chassis of the right proportions but the cost of making a bespoke one is beyond the means of most people on this forum and then there is the cost of making that beautiful screen.
24 Jun 2015, 9:28am
Kit 275GTB, i have checked out this thread as you recommended and its very interesting. I do hope this project is a success. But most important is that I am very sorry to hear about your health problems. I do hope you make a speedy recovery.
As 275 Nart has mentioned, the biggest difference is the curved windscreen which could not be replicated. Some other parts would have to be shortened but you are not trying to make an exact replica. Its a Tribute.
Here I have done a photoshop so you can see the main differences between a Z3 Nart Spyder "lookalike" and the real thing.
As 275 Nart has mentioned, the biggest difference is the curved windscreen which could not be replicated. Some other parts would have to be shortened but you are not trying to make an exact replica. Its a Tribute.
Here I have done a photoshop so you can see the main differences between a Z3 Nart Spyder "lookalike" and the real thing.
24 Jun 2015, 9:48am
Brilliant! The only detail I would change is the door handle.
24 Jun 2015, 7:34pm
Hi George
Prompted by a recommendation on the Tribute forum I've just read all of this thread. I hope you're recovering from your recent illness as best as can be expected. It was quite a shock to read about it here, so it must of been a heck of a shock for you to go through.
I think what you've done so far is fantastic. Was the original shell for sale on eBay a while ago? I remember a 275 for sale about a year or so ago and was keen to take a punt but it disappeared from sale.
Anyway, best of luck and I'm really impressed with progress you've made so far.
Steve
Prompted by a recommendation on the Tribute forum I've just read all of this thread. I hope you're recovering from your recent illness as best as can be expected. It was quite a shock to read about it here, so it must of been a heck of a shock for you to go through.
I think what you've done so far is fantastic. Was the original shell for sale on eBay a while ago? I remember a 275 for sale about a year or so ago and was keen to take a punt but it disappeared from sale.
Anyway, best of luck and I'm really impressed with progress you've made so far.
Steve
24 Jun 2015, 10:25pm
Kit 275GTB, i have checked out this thread as you recommended and its very interesting. I do hope this project is a success. But most important is that I am very sorry to hear about your health problems. I do hope you make a speedy recovery.
As 275 Nart has mentioned, the biggest difference is the curved windscreen which could not be replicated. Some other parts would have to be shortened but you are not trying to make an exact replica. Its a Tribute.
Here I have done a photoshop so you can see the main differences between a Z3 Nart Spyder "lookalike" and the real thing.
As 275 Nart has mentioned, the biggest difference is the curved windscreen which could not be replicated. Some other parts would have to be shortened but you are not trying to make an exact replica. Its a Tribute.
Here I have done a photoshop so you can see the main differences between a Z3 Nart Spyder "lookalike" and the real thing.
This does look quite good! I had my doubts about the spyder on a z3. Alfa door handles and a wing mirror and it's set!
25 Jun 2015, 7:43am
25 Jun 2015, 8:43am
Hi Steve,
Thanks for your good wishes. Yes, I sold my first effort of a 275GTB4 on a shortened Ferrari 400 chassis to a guy in Italy last year.
275NART, thanks for the info about the door handles. I will see if I can locate a pair somewhere. I am gradually putting together a collection of accessories.
Your skill with Photoshop far exceeds mine!
George
Thanks for your good wishes. Yes, I sold my first effort of a 275GTB4 on a shortened Ferrari 400 chassis to a guy in Italy last year.
275NART, thanks for the info about the door handles. I will see if I can locate a pair somewhere. I am gradually putting together a collection of accessories.
Your skill with Photoshop far exceeds mine!
George
6 Jul 2015, 6:34pm
Bye to 275/400i
Hi Steve,
I have dug out this photo my wife took as the 275/400i disappeared from sight.
Hi Steve,
I have dug out this photo my wife took as the 275/400i disappeared from sight.
27 Jul 2015, 7:42am
275 / Z3 return to progress
Hi All,
First of all, a big thank you to all those who sent me PMs and emails wishing a speedy return to full health. I haven't been idle while being laid up and have done a lot of thinking.
So, Plan B: I have abandoned the concept of retaining the Z3 one piece lift up bonnet and wings because I thought it deviated too much from the spirit of the 275. It does mean that some maintenance points (brake fluid, windscreen washer etc) will have to be accessed via fuel filler type flaps unfortunately. I will post photos when I have got something to show.
In answer to a specific question, I also thought it appropriate to post a photoshop comparison of the Mercedes SLK and the 275 profiles to show why I abandoned the SLK as a donor. Although It has the right wheelbase (in R170 model years) and the configuration looked about right, I was daunted by the prospect of removing the screen and surround and fabricating a replacement. (A replacement screen for the 275 is available for the the 275 - if you don't mind the £1500 price tag.) When Bertini and Tribute Automotive showed how easy it was to remove the Z3 body panels and avoid the IVA, I decided to follow their lead. Maybe next time....?
Hi All,
First of all, a big thank you to all those who sent me PMs and emails wishing a speedy return to full health. I haven't been idle while being laid up and have done a lot of thinking.
So, Plan B: I have abandoned the concept of retaining the Z3 one piece lift up bonnet and wings because I thought it deviated too much from the spirit of the 275. It does mean that some maintenance points (brake fluid, windscreen washer etc) will have to be accessed via fuel filler type flaps unfortunately. I will post photos when I have got something to show.
In answer to a specific question, I also thought it appropriate to post a photoshop comparison of the Mercedes SLK and the 275 profiles to show why I abandoned the SLK as a donor. Although It has the right wheelbase (in R170 model years) and the configuration looked about right, I was daunted by the prospect of removing the screen and surround and fabricating a replacement. (A replacement screen for the 275 is available for the the 275 - if you don't mind the £1500 price tag.) When Bertini and Tribute Automotive showed how easy it was to remove the Z3 body panels and avoid the IVA, I decided to follow their lead. Maybe next time....?
3 Sep 2015, 9:32pm
Fibreglass and sticky tape
Hi All,
I have been doing a fair bit of fibreglass hacking with an angle grinder and sticking the panels back onto my denuded Z3 with parcel tape. There is still much to do to get it right but it looks like this is the way to go. Sadly, the characteristic long bonnet of the 275 has had to go and the rear quarter has been extended forward. I did this by laminating an extra sail(?) panel - the bit above the rear wing and behind the door - and just sticking it in place for the photo. Compare img3495 with the standard wing IMG3496 which will need a piece of Lexan to the rear of the side window. She who must be obeyed says she prefers the more stubby look of 3495. If there is anyone who wants an authentic 275 shape, AutoMirage are making their own chassis for a 250GTO and the 275 body will probably fit. Maybe next time?
George
Hi All,
I have been doing a fair bit of fibreglass hacking with an angle grinder and sticking the panels back onto my denuded Z3 with parcel tape. There is still much to do to get it right but it looks like this is the way to go. Sadly, the characteristic long bonnet of the 275 has had to go and the rear quarter has been extended forward. I did this by laminating an extra sail(?) panel - the bit above the rear wing and behind the door - and just sticking it in place for the photo. Compare img3495 with the standard wing IMG3496 which will need a piece of Lexan to the rear of the side window. She who must be obeyed says she prefers the more stubby look of 3495. If there is anyone who wants an authentic 275 shape, AutoMirage are making their own chassis for a 250GTO and the 275 body will probably fit. Maybe next time?
George
3 Sep 2015, 10:25pm
Hi George
Here are the photos together to make it easier to compare them.
'3495'
And '3496'
I particularly like the small quaterlight you've added at the B post to allow use of a wind up door window. I planned something similar originally for my 250SWB.
Cheers
Steve
Here are the photos together to make it easier to compare them.
'3495'
And '3496'
I particularly like the small quaterlight you've added at the B post to allow use of a wind up door window. I planned something similar originally for my 250SWB.
Cheers
Steve
4 Sep 2015, 9:02am
Thanks Steve, I have been trying to do that for months, how did you post in-line photos?
George
George
25 Oct 2015, 3:38pm
BMW iron lump
Does anyone know the purpose of this heavy lump of iron I found between the body and the rear bumper? It doesn't really matter because BMW must have had a good reason for putting it there - I was just curious.
Does anyone know the purpose of this heavy lump of iron I found between the body and the rear bumper? It doesn't really matter because BMW must have had a good reason for putting it there - I was just curious.
25 Oct 2015, 4:11pm
Thanks Steve, I have been trying to do that for months, how did you post in-line photos?
George
George
My apologies George, I don't visit here too regularly and missed your message.
Stop me if I'm teaching my granny to suck eggs - photos are added using something called BBCode which is utilised on most forums. This is useful click here
The photos above are displayed by putting a code at the start and of the web location of the photos. The code is [img] at the start, and [/img] at the end.
The above looks like this (without the quotes in ["img])
'3495'
["img]http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2826&d=1441315905[/img]
And '3496'
["img]http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2827&d=1441315905[/img]"
In this case it's easy because the images were on this forum, though if not you'll need to have somewhere on the Internet to store your photos. There are many services you can use, I like photobucket, which is free and has tablet and phone apps if that's the way you access the Internet.
Drop me a pm if you want more info.
Cheers
Steve
25 Oct 2015, 4:55pm
Ooooh! That looks complicated. I was just using the "Add attachment" part of "Go Advanced" to upload photos from my hard disk. Perhaps I should take a look at photobucket.
Cheers,
George
Cheers,
George
25 Oct 2015, 5:07pm
Like many things, it's easy once you've done it once, and a damn sight easier than what your achieving with your car!!
As you suggest, uploading to this site instead of other cloud storage like Photobucket will be fine, though your message will then include a section for attachments and the viewer will have to click on the to see the picture - it won't be embedded in the text. There's nothing wrong with that though so give it a go.
Once that's successful, upload the photo to here in the way you've learnt then whilst in 'manage attachments' click on the image which will open it in a new tab, select the web site address at he top of your screen (the URL) then use the method I mentioned above to embed the image (using '[img] URL here [/img]
Have fun!
As you suggest, uploading to this site instead of other cloud storage like Photobucket will be fine, though your message will then include a section for attachments and the viewer will have to click on the to see the picture - it won't be embedded in the text. There's nothing wrong with that though so give it a go.
Once that's successful, upload the photo to here in the way you've learnt then whilst in 'manage attachments' click on the image which will open it in a new tab, select the web site address at he top of your screen (the URL) then use the method I mentioned above to embed the image (using '[img] URL here [/img]
Have fun!
25 Oct 2015, 5:52pm
As you said - it's easy when you know how! I'll try that next time.
Thanks,
George
Thanks,
George
11 Dec 2015, 5:26pm
(A little) Progress
These pictures (which I can't upload at the moment) may not look much different from earlier ones but I have been doing a lot of cutting and adjusting to get to this stage. My big "Aha" moment came when I realised that the only place where the Z3 panels met the 275 panels was at the sill. I had to extend the Z3 sill outwards as the it is "waisted" but the 275 doors have a straight bottom. (Ooh er!). This meant I had to make a mould for a new horizontal part of the sill from thin ply but I did not know that oil based paint reacts with cellulose paints and had to repeat it several times until a friend told me. DOH!
All the panels are held together with metal straps or tape at present to check the fit and appearance. There is still a lot of cutting and sticking together to be done but all my guesses seem to be working out so far.
These pictures (which I can't upload at the moment) may not look much different from earlier ones but I have been doing a lot of cutting and adjusting to get to this stage. My big "Aha" moment came when I realised that the only place where the Z3 panels met the 275 panels was at the sill. I had to extend the Z3 sill outwards as the it is "waisted" but the 275 doors have a straight bottom. (Ooh er!). This meant I had to make a mould for a new horizontal part of the sill from thin ply but I did not know that oil based paint reacts with cellulose paints and had to repeat it several times until a friend told me. DOH!
All the panels are held together with metal straps or tape at present to check the fit and appearance. There is still a lot of cutting and sticking together to be done but all my guesses seem to be working out so far.
11 Dec 2015, 5:33pm
photos
(Administrator - I had a message saying there was a missing security token when I tried to upload all 4 at the same time.)
(Administrator - I had a message saying there was a missing security token when I tried to upload all 4 at the same time.)
13 Dec 2015, 12:56pm
(Administrator - I had a message saying there was a missing security token when I tried to upload all 4 at the same time.)
You will need to PM user name "JG" directly with your problem, as he is the site administrator, but unlikely to read individual posts.
Anyway, your build looks like it is coming together nicely.
Good luck, Paul.
14 Dec 2015, 1:26pm
Thanks Paul and JG,
The problem was due to sending too big an upload in one go.
George
The problem was due to sending too big an upload in one go.
George
16 Jan 2016, 11:03am
275GTB/Z3 side panel
Happy new year everyone! I have been concentrating on the panel behind the side window and have decided against an infill with either a fibreglass panel or an extra window.
Instead, I have chosen to make a copy of the side panel incorporating the gills and move it forward to the door opening. At the same time, I was able to adjust the angle very slightly to match the angle of a new side window which I hope to make from PolyCarbonate. Does anyone know if you have to get it E marked for road use?
Happy new year everyone! I have been concentrating on the panel behind the side window and have decided against an infill with either a fibreglass panel or an extra window.
Instead, I have chosen to make a copy of the side panel incorporating the gills and move it forward to the door opening. At the same time, I was able to adjust the angle very slightly to match the angle of a new side window which I hope to make from PolyCarbonate. Does anyone know if you have to get it E marked for road use?