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Barry Mays Sammio Spyder Build....

22 May 2012, 9:17pm
sammio special

lancelot link wrote:
lime green fur fabric .......:biggrin:

no , not sure , black I think but don't know anymore ....Barrys dealing with that...


Mmmmm oh how i dream of me getting mine into colour?!!!!:noidea:
23 May 2012, 5:59am
Love that colour. Need to see it in reality to be sure.
Are you around saturday morning?
I have a wad of cash just dying to be given to you.
23 May 2012, 8:02am
Great colour, 'twas on my original list. :eusa_clap:

Mind you, the Sammio Spyder/Cordite shape seems to carry off just about any colour - I've not seen one that didn't work yet, even the light brown one with black roundels.

Looking forward to seeing a G46 in paint, have a feeling that'll be the same. :party:
25 May 2012, 4:03pm
Mister Towed wrote:
Great colour, 'twas on my original list. :eusa_clap:

Mind you, the Sammio Spyder/Cordite shape seems to carry off just about any colour - I've not seen one that didn't work yet, even the light brown one with black roundels.

Looking forward to seeing a G46 in paint, have a feeling that'll be the same. :party:


Careful with that statement....I still havn`t ruled out a chrome wrap.
25 May 2012, 5:41pm
Nick59 wrote:
Careful with that statement....I still havn`t ruled out a chrome wrap.


Ha ha! I'td still look good in chrome. :)
26 May 2012, 5:55am
Am i the only one who cant wait to see Barry's car with all its fittings on?
Any update
16 Jun 2012, 5:26am
In an effort to beg, borrow, or steal ideas from other builds I'm having another look at this thread.

If these Herald boot hinges are suitable for Sammio doors...



... then I hope these Mini door hinges will do the job on my Cordite.



I like the fact there are two bolts on the body side of the hinge.

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However, there now appears to be a technical problem with this post...

AndyP57 wrote:
... post this photo of Barry's door latch mechanism:


looks tidy and keeping to the 'KISS' principal so less can go wrong.


Any chance of another photo of the latch that was used?
Plus any links to where I could get one, thanks.

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Finally, are there any more updates on this car?
This was the last photo I saw of it and clearly more progress has been made.



Cheers, Paul. :)
16 Jun 2012, 5:43am
Paul , those mini style hinges are the same ones we used on the Cordite at the show....we bought ours from a Jag dealer ! but have since identified them as mini !!

They work really well....

I will try and get the latch pic up again ...don't know whats happened there....

The car has been totally re-wired since that pic was taken and is being readied for mot at present....
16 Jun 2012, 8:38am
lancelot link wrote:
Paul , those mini style hinges are the same ones we used on the Cordite at the show....we bought ours from a Jag dealer ! but have since identified them as mini !!

They work really well....


Cheers Gary, I've just ordered a set, the first new parts for my build. :cool:
16 Jun 2012, 2:58pm
I've picked up a spare set of latches and striker plates whilst at Newark. I'll PM you the details and if you want them I'll get them posted over (after taking photos)
16 Jun 2012, 3:05pm
Cheers Andy, I really appreciate that, Paul. :)
16 Jun 2012, 3:17pm
These are the ones. Simple but effective. can be operated by either a finger in the ring pull or a cord attached 'early mini stylee'
2 Jul 2012, 6:24pm
Barrys car went in for its MOT Friday ....the car failed on insufficient handbrake and a couple of wiring issues ....a tail light that worked perfectly before its 500 yard drive to the MOT !

We did the work this morning , its sorted now...virtually everything on this car is new , including the engine....its very nice !!

Car is going to have its tonneau made tomorrow.

Then its bit of tickling , fettling , tweaking etc....and Barry can collect !!

Pics to follow......when camera sorted !
2 Jul 2012, 10:14pm
Good luck getting the tonneau made. I understand it takes about five months...
2 Jul 2012, 11:40pm
Mister Towed wrote:
Good luck getting the tonneau made. I understand it takes about five months...


Oooh, a bit harsh!
3 Jul 2012, 7:50am
I guess I could have worded it a bit better. It was meant to be a criticism of the trimmer who let us down, not Gary and Mike. :sorry:
4 Jul 2012, 3:02am
Just curious about the engine position. Why can't you guys scoot it back 6"-8" and drop it down a bit. I know this would require a bit if fab work. I live in the States and was wondering if it was a local thing for registration. My buddy and I are looking to import a couple of kits. I'm pondering on using a TR6 motor in mine. Just a noob question from a long ways away!
4 Jul 2012, 10:19am
frankenstang57 wrote:
Just curious about the engine position. Why can't you guys scoot it back 6"-8" and drop it down a bit. I know this would require a bit if fab work. I live in the States and was wondering if it was a local thing for registration. My buddy and I are looking to import a couple of kits. I'm pondering on using a TR6 motor in mine. Just a noob question from a long ways away!


Moving the engine mountings back is easy, just swap the suspension towers side to side. It was a standard trick on many kitcars. You need to modify the chassis to clear the gearbox though.

The UK has traditionally had pretty free rules on home built vehicles and it still does in many ways, but things have got more complicated and/or expensive in recent years. Using an unmodified chassis get around those new rules, but means you can't cut into it anywhere for clearance. You can't even remove the rear floot support legs, so they have to stick out the back of the shell (or at least they do until the re-bodying excercise has been inspected by the DVLA).
4 Jul 2012, 10:44am
Suspension towers side to side. Is this on a Vitesse?
4 Jul 2012, 10:58am
garyh wrote:
Suspension towers side to side. Is this on a Vitesse?


Vitesse, Herald, Spitfire, GT6, they all use the same tower.

The mounting is normally on the front of the tower, when you swap them it's on the back.
4 Jul 2012, 5:44pm
frankenstang57 wrote:
Just curious about the engine position. Why can't you guys scoot it back 6"-8" and drop it down a bit. I know this would require a bit if fab work. I live in the States and was wondering if it was a local thing for registration. My buddy and I are looking to import a couple of kits. I'm pondering on using a TR6 motor in mine. Just a noob question from a long ways away!


The TR6 block will fit the Vitesse chassis without any trouble, it's basically the same engine ! Mind you, the standard diff and driveshafts might have some trouble with the 180hp a nicely tuned fuel injected 2,5 block can produce...

Baz from Brussels
5 Jul 2012, 12:13am
Thanks guys. I thought it was something like that. I'll just title it as a Herald. A few years ago I took my Herald to have a VIN verification done on it. The woman doing the inspection walked up and said, "Triumph, who makes that?" If it all pans out, plan on hearing more from this end.
5 Jul 2012, 8:19am
frankenstang57 wrote:
Thanks guys. I thought it was something like that. I'll just title it as a Herald. A few years ago I took my Herald to have a VIN verification done on it. The woman doing the inspection walked up and said, "Triumph, who makes that?" If it all pans out, plan on hearing more from this end.


Hi Fanenstang57, when I read your first post I thought you might be just ti:hungry:ucking with us. With you living in the 'States it didn't seem likely you were serious about Sammios. A big sorry from me though, if you've got a Herald over there then that's the first hurdle crossed and you're obviously asking from a serious standpoint. :icon_redface: I know Gary's exported a couple of bodies to the 'States before so good luck getting yours.

In relation to your first question about moving the motor back and lowering it, it's clearly possible but I've got to ask why? I understand the dynamics of lowering the centre of gravity and keeping the weight within the wheelbase to maximise the handling characteristics, so I'm guessing that you're looking to build it up as a track-day car (U.S. translation, weekend racer?)

But if you want a stylish and fun road car it's really not necessary to have it handle like a racer or scorch the tarmac with its tyres when you dump the clutch. In 'standard' form (whatever that is), what the Sammio gives you is the feeling of driving something from another era on a hundredth of the budget of a real fifties racing car. By all means fit an old straight six - for the glorious sound alone, but let the V8 trucks blast past you on the freeway, hold the bikers up in the bends, you won't care as you'll be wearing the biggest smile ever and they'll be jealous as f:)ck.
5 Jul 2012, 7:23pm
Mr Towed, I was thinking of clearance. Not having to cut a hole in the hood (bonnet) for the carbs to clear. That would be my main reason for setting the motor back. I figured you guys had some reason or another for not chopping up the firewall. I currently have 3-1/2 Heralds as of right now. There really not too hard to find over here. I've been wanting to build a Sammio for a couple of years now. I've swapped emails with Gary in the past. My buddy Bruce wants one as well. So we are thinking about bringing in 2 kits. I was going to install a Tr6 motor/trans in mine, he is going to run an MGB motor of some sort in his. You'll probably be hearing from me a bit more in the future.
5 Jul 2012, 8:03pm
The engine mounts on the four cylinder are on the engine front plate, whilst the ones on the six are part way down the side of the block.

Swapping the towers moves the front of a six back to pretty much the same place as the four.

Cutting the bulkhead is fine (on a vehicle with a separate chassis) for registration purposes and Gary isn't using the original bulkhead on the Cordite.