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Engine conversion.

21 Jul 2009, 10:41pm
The car doesn't need to be firmly sprung to work on track, but, and this is by no means intended to be argumentative, if you really want the car to work on track, it's my view that you need to start considering the geometry (I don't mean camber / caster / toe), and get that sorted. The roll centres, jacking, pro-dive, pro-squat, etc - these really need to be resolved before the car is a truly capable track tool. Fast road / track work on a stock car, is erm, interesting, in a slightly unsettling way.
21 Jul 2009, 10:46pm
Surely, everything geometry related is adjustable once built?

(But do correct me if needed)

I am looking to buy springs that are realistically suited to the 1.8t engine in the back. I know marlin have their own custom springs made, but i'm sure these are for the rover engines and possibly less weight than the 1.8t vag unit.

You mention "fast road / track work on a stock car."

can you explain a little more please? :o)
21 Jul 2009, 11:49pm
Wow,

you have made a few mods to your suspension.

I think i shall concentrate on getting the thing built and running first.

There obviously seems like there is room for improvement and luckily i am fairly handy with the old welder.

What was the view from Marlin on your alterations?

adam
22 Jul 2009, 6:37am
Hi Adam.

I upgraded the front springs to 220 due to the ones supplied too soft. Once the car is on the road, I shall be taking the car to track developments as John did to get a professional assesment with weights etc. As car had a Rover Turbo in it before, what to get the spring rates right instead of keep guessing.

As for engine mounts etc. I had the Rover running gear before. MGF gear change, gearbox etc. So mine is based on Rover running gear with the 1.8T bolted on. But beefed up the gearbox internals to cope with the extra modded power.

Mine are all done, just little odds and sods to do before I take the car to get exhaust made. I'm going for around 300-350 mark on standard internals for now. After experience with 200 BHP, this will be plenty. At 200BHP, it was frightening. So god knows what it will be like like this!
If it was me going for the power you aiming for, I would get all the major components built up and take it to track developments.

The engine was sick when I went to woodbridge (170BHP at the wheels) before it went to heaven. It managed 120 MPH on the straight (about 1/4 to 1/2 mile).
22 Jul 2009, 7:30am
I had a go in a Supercharged Ariel Atom a while ago and that kind of power in such a light car is awesome!
22 Jul 2009, 12:02pm
5exiAdam wrote:

What was the view from Marlin on your alterations?


I didn't have that conversation.
22 Jul 2009, 1:45pm
that answers that then!
27 Jul 2009, 7:33pm
Thought I would give some update as it's been a little while.

Boost hoses and chargecooler fitted. Hoses not jubilee clipped yet as I need to complete the water hoses for the chargecooler (waiting for rad)


Polished inlet and new expansion bottle. Together with shiney chargecooler filler.


Oil cooler fitted. Electrics looks worse than it appears. Just lamber to solder in (but can't do this until exhaust is done. Gentral clipping on wiring to do for now. When mapped and all wiring tested, the will go in conduit. Just in case I've missed something!


Things to do.
Accelerator to be sent off (too short)
Jublee clip every thing that is left (a few water pipes and boost pipes)
Fit slave cylinder and battery tray.
Fit driveshafts back together
Fill cooling system and check for leaks. Same for oil system.
Fill engine up to temp and see if Rover gauge displays correct coolant temp!

This I hope to complete withing the next 2 weeks. Maybe not accelerator cable (sending it off to get done).

Hopefully off at the end of September to get exhaust made.
27 Jul 2009, 8:00pm
That looks brilliant!

It will be a looooong time before mine looks anything like that.

Did you make the engine mounts yourself?

Were you running the rover or vw gearbox?
27 Jul 2009, 9:58pm
Looking good John. That's an impressive number of silicon boost hoses!

Are you going to create a form of arch liner to stop the N/S rear wheel throwing a stone through the oil cooler?

Is the dipstick located between the runners for cyl 2 & 3 to make access easier? Normally it's in frontof the manifold.
28 Jul 2009, 6:28am
The gearbox is a Rover Coupe turbo, beefed up with steel caged bearings to cope with the extra power. Gearboxes hjave been know to cope with 500BHP + so should hopefully do the trick.

The mounts was made by my good friend and fellow 5EXI own Merlinman. Took the car done to his workshoshop to get the made. It was there we discovered the space in the chassis was not enough with the 6 speed box. So went the Rover route as I had all the change cables etc.

The dip stick I've just rested there for the time being. It clips under the metal support frame at the side of the inlet that holds the plastic OE cover. But just wanted the dipsitck out of the way for now.

As for the silicon hoses. My wallet is still quivering with the expense it cost. Silicon water hose front to back for the rad as well. :cry: Though not in the centre tunnel.

Hmm yes I did think about the wheel problem. Still looking for ideas. As well as the meshing in the side pod to stop stones from entering there. It only has three sides to attach mesh to the side pods.

All the OE plastic covers fit as well. Will decide at a later date whether to go Carbon fibre covers or not. But will look a little OE with the covers.
28 Jul 2009, 4:32pm
DavidH wrote:
Wow nice decision, will be very interesting in how it goes, must admit that engine is on my wishlist for the car if I decide to upgrade in the future.


There are a few of us now.

HELP!!!!!!
28 Jul 2009, 9:17pm
Now have an engine gearbox loom ecu.

The lump i have is an ayp from an ibiza. (The only time you will get me near Ibiza, i can tell you!)

Not the best start, as i thought it was a leon. Apparently it has a Revo Stage 2 remap to 200bhp. But everyone who understands remaps seems to think revo are poo!

Anyway, at least i have something to start making engine and gearbox mounts with!

Any ideas?
29 Jul 2009, 5:27am
To be honest, most of the engines look the same with just different head or turbo. So still a good buy in my opinion.

As for the ECU. If you are planning to go high spec in the fiuture, as you spoke about before, then ditch the ECU NOW. Or when your read to start that section of the build. Before the wiring at the engine starts. Wire once with one ECU. This is not to cut costs my quite a bit of time wiring!

High spec engines will probably just be an engine swap.

As for the mounts, you could approach Marlin as the are making some for Steve (nutter). You will have the same setup as him. Though if they have to modify the chassis, that maybe is a whole different ball game.
29 Jul 2009, 7:52am
I will start having a look at it all soon. I have some H-Frame trolley bases that i need to weld some uprights and top bars to so i can sit the car on them.

Just starting to look at what bracing i can add to the chassis.

Engine mounts will be next, after i have cleaned the engine and shed some weight from it to help move it round a bit!

I will pop a pic up in a bit of the engine, on a pallet in the back of my car. It took me an hour and a half to get home and it was only 50 miles.

I had to slow down for every corner, to stop it toppling over and taking a route through the rear doors!
29 Jul 2009, 10:46am
John, You have made huge progress not long now!

How long have you been off the road?

Mine has not been driven in about 10 months now but like you nearly there.
I'm looking forward to your first drive post.

Craig
29 Jul 2009, 2:51pm
Hi Craig.

Yeah mines been off the road about the same time as you. 18/10 it came back on a low loader.

I'm looking forward to the thing moving again now as well. Though will be running low to no boost until I get it onto the rolling road. Need to fit bigger injectors for the bigger turbo when I go and get it mapped.

Next step after this little lot is getting the exhaust done (end of Sept).

What have you been upto with yours?
29 Jul 2009, 9:45pm
Nothing like what you have done John and I don't have the time I used to have before I had the little one!

I have sprayed it all which was a lot more time consuming than I first thought as the gel coat although looked ok (ish) when primed was full of millions of pin holes everywhere!!

Bought new alloys and tyres which are on now so just need to reset geo and I'm back on road hopefully!

Oh and painted some of the chassis with that black shit that if it spills on your drive won't come off.

ps are you doing the exhaust yourself as in stainless it's surprisingly easy to make and weld? As you know I have exits in a different place to everyone else but twas simple to weld stainless
29 Jul 2009, 10:10pm
I do like the way you have done your exhaust. The way it exits.

But have never welded before so doing this it is a no no more me. Let alone stainless ( I believe it takes a different approach to welding or is that ally?).

So going here.

http://www.zorstec.net/kit_cars_flash.htm

Got a good price and mandel bent with 3".
29 Jul 2009, 10:48pm
Yeah thats ally I tried that for the induction but it's a total bitch! never again.

Stainless was for me 10 times easier than normal metal, any setting seemed to produce excellent results but if you have a good price from a pro it's always going to be better!

I would like a back box made with larger pipes but think it would be £££'s
30 Jul 2009, 12:00pm
craig wrote:


I have sprayed it all which was a lot more time consuming than I first thought as the gel coat although looked ok (ish) when primed was full of millions of pin holes everywhere!!



30 Jul 2009, 2:21pm
limpabit wrote:

As for the mounts, you could approach Marlin as the are making some for Steve (nutter). You will have the same setup as him. Though if they have to modify the chassis, that maybe is a whole different ball game.


I reckon my mounts will be different, as Im on the race chassis. Not the standard Marlin chassis.
31 Jul 2009, 7:28pm
alackofspeed wrote:


Very soon John, can't get pics until it's driveable again which hopefully will be sun/mon
3 Aug 2009, 9:06pm
nutter wrote:
I reckon my mounts will be different, as Im on the race chassis. Not the standard Marlin chassis.


Are there any pics of the race chassis?

I am looking to be beefing up my chassis and covering the tub in aluminium honeycombe material to try and stiffen it up as much as possible.

I think i will replace the whole back end section to make it stronger.

Pics coming soon!

adam