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Mister Towed on the road...

15 Oct 2015, 9:31am
I have often thought hmmm that Mr Towed I like his cars faux patina but he who have only stupid!
Sounds like the beginning of ancient Chinese proverb.
Over to you WCA complete as you see fit in your bored convalescent state. Ancient Chinese proverb say, he who have only stupid..............
15 Oct 2015, 1:14pm
Well if the writer didn't like a 2CV being transformed into a Sammio...



He would have a complete meltdown if he saw this...



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20 Dec 2015, 4:52pm
Off to see Star Wars, episode VII, the gravy train continues, with my son this morning -



Can recommend the mode of transport more than the movie...
20 Dec 2015, 5:20pm
Mister Towed wrote:
... Star Wars, episode VII, the gravy train continues...

The humour runs deep in this one.

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21 Dec 2015, 6:19am
great to see car, out and about going to start mine over xmas .....would have loved a xmas day run but its not going to be this year merry xmas towed see soon
21 Dec 2015, 7:14am
Thanks Phil, still can't resist using it when the weather's dry. Well, you know how addictive the driving experience is!

I might drop in to give you a bit of encouragement before New Year's eve, you about?

Anyway, have a good Christmas and I'll see you soon. :)
22 Dec 2015, 8:16am
Good to see others out-n-about :)

Have you got to the "should I fit a heater" stage yet?

I'm pondering it atm, but still not sure?
22 Dec 2015, 4:43pm
Dave, I've had a micro heater fitted to mine from 'new' -



Takes the edge off in cold weather, especially with the half tonneau fitted, also provides supplementary cooling when stuck in traffic in a heat wave. :)
23 Dec 2015, 8:12am
ohh.... i like that!
I'm going to add that to my list of things to tinker with when SWMBO's s0dd1ng camper is finally done :)
28 Dec 2015, 3:09pm
Iceni car club 'brass monkeys' run from Brandon to Wells-next-the-sea via Swaffham this morning.

Some fantastic American classics, resto-mods, rods, oddities and Q-cars, my guess would be well over a hundred made the journey, so here's a few pics -



















A personal favourite, a Reliant Kitten running a Ford twin cam -






This was the queue for the chippy ten minutes after we got to Wells -



Not a bad view while tucking into a bag 'o' chips -





Dry weather and not too cold sealed the deal for me, a grand day out indeed!
28 Dec 2015, 3:34pm
Looks like a good day out blessed with nice weather. Did you check out your future ride the Tribute 250SWB?
28 Dec 2015, 3:43pm
froggyman wrote:
Looks like a good day out blessed with nice weather. Did you check out your future ride the Tribute 250SWB?


Yep, had a nice chat with Bob (Hurnleft) and took some pics of his car -



Tribute really got the proportions right on the 250 SWB and I can't wait to get started on mine. Just over a year to wait now...
28 Dec 2015, 8:23pm
What a great day out. As you say, must have been over 100 vehicles attending.
One of the best cars for me, as usual, was Pete's '36 Morris 14 with "Norfolk'N'Good" lettering done by my own fair hand using aerosol and marker pen after he left it in the workshop and said 'just put on whatever you like' He learn't nothing from that and left me to paint the front wheels. The other one has 'Old Git Racing'

Nice to have a chance to speak to Mr Toad himself and check out the 'Lancia'. A very nice car and another example of the variety of stuff there today,

Cheers, Bob.
31 Dec 2015, 7:42am
nice video... nice to see a sammio still out .....do the rest just sit in there garages..... would have come but just a few bits to do on engine it over fueling flooding :frusty:...just need to play with jets etc ...barrys building his new house so we be back ripping a round norfolk very soon hope you had a good xmas...... summer on the way see you for cuppa soon
31 Dec 2015, 7:59am
Cheers Phil, yep, had a good Christmas - I've been off since Christmas Eve and I don't go back to work until Monday. Will call you about dropping in for a cuppa over the weekend if you're around. :)

Shame those bike carbs aren't working straight out of the box, do you think the over fueling issue could be down to the less restrictive individual manifolds? After all, I'm led to believe that the boggo Triumph one doesn't flow very efficiently. Anyway, I hope it's just a case of trying a few different needles.

As for other Sammios out and about in winter, as well as my Spyder there were a couple of open top 'rods on the brass monkey run so there's really no excuse not to go out on a dry day, no matter how cold it might be. Heater helps though...

See you soon Phil.
1 Jan 2016, 5:00pm
Mr T - Nice photos & video. :cool:
14 Apr 2016, 7:32pm
Mr T - Can I just ask a quick question about how you joined your body shell to the Moon Rover?

I know you added some fibreglass matting between the floor and the shell here…



Did this form the only barrier between the cockpit and the ground below?

If so, I take it that after all these years that this approach hasn't lead to any problems?

Cheers, Paul. :)

PS
Forgive the odd timing of this question, but I am just thinking about my plywood cockpit floor panels.



Perhaps all they need on the "ground facing" side is a layer of fibreglass for protection?
15 Apr 2016, 6:12am
Hi Paul, in line with the on line 'build manual' the gap between the edges of the floor and the inside of the body is just bridged with fibreglass as you say.

It doesn't have to look pretty if you're then going to box in the cockpit with 6mm ply side and rear bulkhead panels because you won't be able to see any of it. Fixing the floor to the sides and boxing in the cockpit results in an extremely strong structure that I can put my full weight on the edges of when getting in and out with no flexing of the body.

Although some builders have made some very pretty looking 'open' paneled cockpits with exposed tube frames I do wonder if the resulting structure is going to be strong enough, long term, to stand up to having a heavy driver put their weight on it.

Three years on the road and mine is still solid as a rock. I've got some cracks here and there on the body that formed within the first 500 miles or so, mostly where I used ordinary body filler instead of fibreglass reinforced filler to bridge gaps in the bonnet scoop, where the rear outriggers join the body, etc., and I'm planning to give those a bit of attention this spring when the weather warms up.

Hope that helps.
15 Apr 2016, 6:31am
Mr T - As always, a very helpful reply. :cool:

Prior to my build, I'd never used fibreglass or bonding paste before, so have no experience to go on.

So it is reassuring to hear that they do exactly what they say on the tin.

My cockpit panels will certainly hide all the joins, but will not provide as much strength as yours (as I have to cut them up to fit).

Which is one of the reasons I've added lots of extra joins along the sides of my body shell.
( Which is now feeling rock solid as well. )

Cheers, Paul. :)
5 May 2016, 7:44pm
As you may recall, about a year ago I bought a pair of 1.75CD Strombergs with adaptors for my Vitesse motor for the princely sum of fifty quid on ebay. These were meant to replace my somewhat worn out 1.5's that were strangling the engine above 4,000rpm and give it a bit more oomph. The only slight fly in the Chateau Lafite was that I couldn't shut the bonnet with them fitted. :( So I took them off and put them to one side for a year to have a think about it.

About a fortnight ago though, I decided that my original 150's had to go. Fuel consumption had rocketed from about 28mpg to the high teens, the motor was struggling to start from cold despite all of the ignition components being in tip-top condition and the smell of fuel was all pervasive.

So, after about four hours spent replacing the rock hard rubber seals in the 1.75's, removing the old carbs and fitting up the new ones, to my delight (relief?), with just a bit of fettling needed on one sticky butterfly I had it running on the bigger carburettors. Which left me with the original problem of the bonnet not closing due to clearance problems on the front carb. :(

After a bit of measuring it was out with the angle grinder and cut a hole above the offending carb before a considerable amount of staring and beard scratching about what to do next. I felt a second bulge would look odd as it would've been too close to the first one, while another scoop would also look odd because it would have to be almost exactly parallel to the small one on the other side of the main one, which just wouldn't look right.

Eventually I settled on cutting out the existing bulge (which was entirely cosmetic anyway once I'd removed my methanol injection rig), fabricating a new one over the carb hole and reinstating the bit of bonnet I'd cut out for the original bulge.

I used the same technique as before - building a shape I liked out of stainless modelling mesh secured with screws around the hole then 'glassing over the top and inside the bonnet once the outside had gone off, before adding filler where necessary and sanding to a smooth, teardrop shape. Once the basic shape was set I was able to take it for a test drive and... What a difference! A lot more power, far more revs available and no more fuel smell. Phew.

And here are a couple of pictures, just bear in mind that the new bulge is still very much a 'work in progress' -





As I'm going to have to respray at least part of the bonnet I thought I might as well tackle a few other bodywork jobs that'll need a coat or two of paint over the next couple of weeks too. I've had the car on the road for almost three years now and I've used it a lot. Over that time I have had about four cracks appear in the body, almost all of which are actually my fault...

I'll take some pics when I start fixing them, but I have:

A crack at the back immediately below where the offside rear boot-rigger joins inside the body. That panel is a bit of a patchwork quilt as I cut far too much of the original body away while aligning the body on the chassis, then used ordinary body filler over stainless mesh to reinstate it where I should have used fibreglass and/or fibre reinforced filler. My bad.

A stress crack on the side of the same rear wing. Don't think that one's my fault, it's just one of them things you get with a fibreglass body sometimes.

A couple of stress cracks just ahead of the flyscreen directly above the servo I fitted. This is due to there being no support under that panel for about eight inches in the centre. The bonnet shuts onto that panel and I had put a sponge strip right the way across the underside of the bonnet, which put pressure on that unsupported panel when locked down and caused it to crack. I cut the matching section of sponge strip out of the centre of the bonnet and it's not under stress any more.

My main scoop has a number of hairline cracks under the roundel. Again, that scoop is a patchwork quilt made out of bits of the original bonnet and bits of the Sammio dash that I didn't use held together with fibreglass and body filler. I should've used fibre reinforced filler there too, of course.

I also have a 'spider' shaped crack under the front number plate where my radiator touched the inside of the bonnet for a while.

I've also decided to change my rear light setup too, just for good measure. I liked the lights I chose, but there's always been a slight niggle that the (slight) asymmetry in the design of the back end means that they look a little cock-eyed from some angles. More on that later...

So, I'll be doing a bit of repair and respray, which brings me to my final observation. There's been a bit of debate recently about how best to spray fibreglass panels. I'd never sprayed anything in my life before so I took advice from Mike (Miglia) about prep and gun spec, turned to Google and Youtube for some demonstrations, and finally spoke to Jawel (who supplied the silver cellulose paint).

Jawel's advice on how to make their paint stick was to degrease everything thoroughly then spray on a couple of coats of etch primer. Once that's dry and flatted back, follow up with two or three coats of high-build primer, flatting and degreasing between coats. Then gun on as many coats of colour as you like (I think I did about six), leaving it about twenty minutes between each coat. Having never sprayed before, the results I got were very pleasing to me indeed, in fact, the finish looks exactly like the paint you see on genuine 1950's race cars.

A few people have suggested that using the etch primer is either unnecessary or will lead to the paint flaking off. Well, I've had no paint flake off in three years and I've just given the surface finish the ultimate stiction test by trying to remove the roundel from the bonnet to get at and repair the hairline cracks mentioned above. I thought that it would be a case of lifting a corner and just peeling the roundel off in one piece. Wrong. The glue sticking it down is far stronger than the vinyl, which tends to just break off in fingernail sized bits.

With a great deal of care I was able to lift about a third of it off in one piece, but that alone took about an hour and then the whole decal snapped across just short of the secondary scoop, leaving me nothing to get hold of to start peeling again (I need speak to the people who fitted the roundels to see if there's a trick to removing them).

Now it's been a bit of a ball-ache trying to remove the roundel, but what I have done is put an enormous amount of upward strain on the paint surface on a panel with a number of cracks across it. Not one fleck of paint has lifted, and I guarantee it would have if it hadn't fully adhered to the surface of the body underneath (the rough surface and darker patch is the residual glue from the roundel, the shinier bit is where I've used thinners to remove the glue) -



One thing I have noticed is that the paint under the roundel is a much brighter silver than what's been exposed to the air. Hmm, hoping I won't need to do a full respray now...

More later. :)
5 May 2016, 10:36pm
Well Mr T, you have been busy!

Ref the removal of your roundel, I have found from experience that when doing work of that nature it is very helpful to use a hot air gun.
This does mainly two things, firstly it softens the adhesive, and secondly, it makes the vinyl soft and elastic-like, making it rubbery and much easier to pull of in one piece.

Of course, care must be taken not to overdo it, especially where fibre-glass is concerned.

If I could offer any other advice, I would say that now may well be a good time to cut out your blanked off louvres, and make them functional while you've got the bonnet in bits.

Good luck with it, and go easy with the heat gun!


P.S. When using the heat gun, carry on heating the vinyl on the car as you pull it off with the other hand, sounds a bit odd but it works
better that way. It pulls of like rubbery skin!
5 May 2016, 11:10pm
Mister Towed wrote:
I thought that it would be a case of lifting a corner and just peeling the roundel off in one piece. Wrong. The glue sticking it down is far stronger than the vinyl, which tends to just break off in fingernail sized bits.

With a great deal of care I was able to lift about a third of it off in one piece, but that alone took about an hour and then the whole decal snapped across just short of the secondary scoop, leaving me nothing to get hold of to start peeling again (I need speak to the people who fitted the roundels to see if there's a trick to removing them).

Now it's been a bit of a ball-ache trying to remove the roundel, but what I have done is put an enormous amount of upward strain on the paint surface on a panel with a number of cracks across it.



White gas - naphtha - which might well be your de-greasing agent - removes most modern adhesives, and has little effect on lacquer or acrylic enamel. "Working" it under the roundel a bit at a time will work. If the vinyl is sufficiently porous as to allow the naphtha to penetrate, a rag soaked in naphtha, laid over the area, will generally soften the decal and adhesive in short order, allowing its removal without the attendant testicular excruciation.

The usual caveats (doubtless unnecessary, as you're probably already using it as a de-greaser) apply: naphtha has a low flash point, but a relatively high auto-ignition point. Dispose of contaminated rags as usual - in an oily waste safety can; don't smoke in the area, nor use open flames, and keep your fire extinguisher at the ready, and should the worst happen and you're working in a double-bay garage, get your Wife's car out first. Remember - you can always build another car, but if your burn hers up, you will never, never, ever hear the end of it.

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6 May 2016, 5:08am
Mister Towed - Glad to hear that the new carbs have given new life to your engine. :cool:

Also, it is great that you are prepared to highlight all your problem areas (like WCA "next door").

As this confirms I should drive my car in primer to allow time for my Frankenstein Hillbilly creation to "settle down".

I am sure your latest round of development work will look just as good as your previous efforts when you are finished.

Good luck, Paul. :)