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Latest progress on the Gooster

11 Dec 2012, 7:12pm
Now if I tried to get away with putting a dirty smelly piece of my car next to that lovely cake, I would never be forgiven. All my brownie points would be gone for a year.

How did you manage it ?
11 Dec 2012, 7:56pm
mmmm brownies :party:
11 Dec 2012, 10:50pm
denniswpearce wrote:
Now if I tried to get away with putting a dirty smelly piece of my car next to that lovely cake, I would never be forgiven. All my brownie points would be gone for a year.

How did you manage it ?


The cake is hermetically sealed, and is around 50% proof. If anything had got on it, it would have evaporated. :)

Patrick wrote:
mmmm brownies :party:


Nope. Christmas cake soused in single malt. Yummmm. ;)
15 Dec 2012, 5:47pm
Spent the afternoon cleaning up the ABS sensors, chopping the cables down and replacing the old BMW ABS connectors with new waterproof AMP connectors.



I'll be getting the correct twin core cable to make up the runs from each wheel back to the cockpit and the TC Controller.
19 Dec 2012, 6:31pm
Santa came early this year, and dropped this off:











The chap who made it for me to my designs (see earlier) has done a great job. All I needed to do was add the float switch, pressure cap and the sight glass fittings.

Shame christmas is going to get in the way of me fitting it. :)
20 Dec 2012, 11:23am
Aha, Pauline will be so pleased with her new coffee machine! :lol:
5 Feb 2013, 4:49pm
As you know, I'm trying to fit electric power steering - just like Lee from the MOC has done in his Cabrio.

I'm working on all the physical engineering - all the adaptors are done and just need welding onto the right places, and it the column should just bolt in. But I've also been researching what and how the EPAS system works - mainly as I want 'proper' speed sensitive assistance, not a box of 555 timer chips fudging the signals.

Anyway, here's all the info I've got:

http://greatoldone.squarespace.com/storage/eps/EPAS%20Speed%20Pulses.xls

There appears to be two ways this could be done on a BMW based car - via the diff speed sender or an ABS ring on one of the hubs.

Regardless of the method, it does give you the opportunity to tailor the assistance, by electronically multiplying or dividing the pulses either method sends to the EPAS ECU - basically fooling the unit into believing its going faster (or slower) than it is, and hence decreasing (or increasing) the assistance range.

The spreadsheet calculates a number of possible multipliers for either pulse source, and you can plug in your own tire & rim sizes and it'll work out the approx speeds the different levels of assistance will work till.

I'm planning on trying the ABS route first, mainly as I'm re-fitting ABS sensors for the Traction Control I'm installing - but also as there's the possibility that the 48 pulse per rev BMW ring will give a workable range of assistance out of the box with no monkeying around with the signal.

Better crack on and get the column welded up now... :)
6 Feb 2013, 10:31pm
GreatOldOne wrote:


There appears to be two ways this could be done on a BMW based car - via the diff speed sender or an ABS ring on one of the hubs.



Fascinating subject and clearly you've done a lot of research.

I would be inclined to follow the route that GM have used (ie ABS sensor or speedo signal) as they have probably done lots of trials and analysis.
The ABS route looks attractive but I wonder what happens if the wheel sensor you pick looses traction and locks up, does your steering suddenly change assistance?
As you only have ABS sensors and not real ABS braking it could be a bit scary??

Maybe just a switch on the dashboard would do, so you just switch the assistance on when parking? Above about 5mph I've never noticed the Sportster being difficult to steer.
A James Bond type switch in a flip top gear knob would be cool. :lol:

Just thinking out loud so please ignore if I'm talking rubbish :whistle:
6 Feb 2013, 10:59pm
As far as I know, the non abs equipped Corsas only used one abs pick up and the amplifier. This fed both the speedo and the abs ECU. The abs equipped ones didn't need the amplifier as the abs ECU amplified the signal internally, used it for the abs and also presented it as an output for the clocks and EPAS.

From what I've found, what happens if it loses the speed signal is it will default to a single map - the same as what corsa vans have as they have no speed sensitivity.

And the speed sensitivity thing is a bit of a misnomer - the amount of assistance given is down to the torque sensed by the column. More torque = more assistance. The speed signal just switches between assistance maps, which gives more or less assistance for a given torque... So, even if you lost the signal at speed and it defaulted, if there's no steering effort going into the column there's no assistance.

According to the sources of the info, in real terms you wouldn't really tell if it had defaulted or not.
14 Feb 2013, 6:00pm
Change of direction - after offering the EPAS unit in the foot well, I've come to a critical realisation. The bloody thing won't fit. :(

Well, actual it could be made to fit, by dropping it so low almost interferes with the pedals - or by re-arranging quite a bit of stuff under the dash - but to be honest, it's just a hell of a lot of work for very minimal gain.

I'd measured all of this before I started turning all the bits and started mucking about the second BMW column I had and the corsa column... But it's only after really trying to shoehorn it in that I've realised it's not really going to work.

So, no power steering for Vikki.

Anyone want a corsa EPAS column to play with? :)
14 Feb 2013, 6:08pm
GreatOldOne wrote:
Change of direction - after offering the EPAS unit in the foot well, I've come to a critical realisation. The bloody thing won't fit. :(

Well, actual it could be made to fit, by dropping it so low almost interferes with the pedals - or by re-arranging quite a bit of stuff under the dash - but to be honest, it's just a hell of a lot of work for very minimal gain.

I'd measured all of this before I started turning all the bits and started mucking about the second BMW column I had and the corsa column... But it's only after really trying to shoehorn it in that I've realised it's not really going to work.

So, no power steering for Vikki.

Anyone want a corsa EPAS column to play with? :)


Hi GOO

Before you quit, have a look at my conversion on my flickr site, as I ran into a similar issue with my Cabrio - I suspect there is a lot of commonality between the two chassis.




My problem was the body of the Corsa system was too long and fouled the brake pedal, so I modified various parts to shorten the overall assembly.

Perhaps you could achieve the same?

Mike
14 Feb 2013, 8:11pm
Goo

If you decide to abandon the epas route I would be interested in having a play, please let me know if you decide to move it on.

John
14 Feb 2013, 9:01pm
Well, I've just been down to the garage again, and taken off the ECU & steel mounting bracket (pig - bolts stuck, heads made of plasticine). This makes it narrower toward the output end, like yours Mike.

Offering it up in the foot well, it starts to look as if it may fit, but then I realise it still got to go up a couple of inches into the plane of the existing column - and that's when the motor either fouls side of the foot well, pedal box or my centre console and heater.

I'm convinced its a non starter now. It may be a goer for someone who hasn't got all this in the way yet and can engineer round it without too much effort, but I'm not going to start pulling out my heater & console or jump through hoops modifying the pedal box just to get a bit of assistance at stand-still.

All my research is still sound though. Im not too bothered about the 2nd BMW column I bought, as I can strip, that for spares. And the bits I machined where good practice, and may helps someone else out.

So offer still stands - Corsa EPAS Column up for grabs, and I have a Vauxhall ABS pulse amplifier if anyone wants to try driving the speed dependant portion from an abs reluctor ring.
14 Feb 2013, 11:21pm
GreatOldOne wrote:
Well, I've just been down to the garage again, and taken off the ECU & steel mounting bracket (pig - bolts stuck, heads made of plasticine). This makes it narrower toward the output end, like yours Mike.

Offering it up in the foot well, it starts to look as if it may fit, but then I realise it still got to go up a couple of inches into the plane of the existing column - and that's when the motor either fouls side of the foot well, pedal box or my centre console and heater.

I'm convinced its a non starter now. It may be a goer for someone who hasn't got all this in the way yet and can engineer round it without too much effort, but I'm not going to start pulling out my heater & console or jump through hoops modifying the pedal box just to get a bit of assistance at stand-still.

All my research is still sound though. Im not too bothered about the 2nd BMW column I bought, as I can strip, that for spares. And the bits I machined where good practice, and may helps someone else out.

So offer still stands - Corsa EPAS Column up for grabs, and I have a Vauxhall ABS pulse amplifier if anyone wants to try driving the speed dependant portion from an abs reluctor ring.

Back to three Shredded Wheat for breakfast then :thumb:
19 Feb 2013, 12:45pm
It was a good effort Goo, sorry it didn't work out. John
21 Feb 2013, 5:10pm
Small update - The new engine ECU and sensors are working brilliantly. I've set the mixture on the side of the AFM as per the Bentley Manual specs, and after being sat idling out on the drive for 20 minutes or so, she suddenly decided to behave.

When she starts up cold, she idles at 1000rpm. When she's warmed up, it drops to 800rpm. Perfect! :)

Also, whilst I'm a bit disapointed about the power steering, the Traction Control system is still on the cards. This arrived this morning



It's been done by the same outfit that did my switch panel and vin plate, so all the fonts and colours match. The larger upper hole above the 'OFF' position will take a red indicator lamp that matches the ones I have in the dashboard. The actual control will sit under the handbrake.
4 Mar 2013, 6:24pm
Yes - I came across them when I was doing my research. I don't think they're a budget option, and I get the feeling that whilst the engineering may be very good, it's no better than a DIY job with an eBay controller
4 Mar 2013, 7:30pm
That panel is really nice :)
10 Mar 2013, 9:20pm
A work of modern art young man.

Well done.