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Sammio for sale

13 Dec 2018, 9:43pm
As this listing is SAMMIO FOR SALE!! I thought I might try and sell one. :director:

I have a customer who's possibly getting banned from driving (to many points), so I waiting for him to decide what's happening to his car and my bill!!:eusa_snooty:.
Because of this I thought I might see if anyone on here might be interested as it would make some one a very nice Christmas present!!!:icon_lol:

It's a Sammio Spyder, on a 1968 Triumph chassis fitted with a vitesse 2lt driving a 4 speed gearbox with a very short exhaust (sounds assume) .
The car is almost complete and nearly ready for an MOT. It's running 14" MG steel wheels, fiberglass seats, full rewire ect.
It is un-painted so will need cosmetic attention.

If it come's up for sale you can take it as-it-is or for a little extra cost it could be sold running and driving with a new MOT and registered correctly with DVLA.

In light of the recent postings I think offers around £14,000 would be about right. How ever I would consider £10,000 in monopoly money and the £4,000 in sterling please. :loco:
Sorry as yet, no photo's but I'll ask if I can post some when I next contact the customer. :boom:

Anyone interested PM me.
13 Dec 2018, 10:11pm
In General - I really don’t understand the fuss around someone trying to sell a car. :rolleyes:

There is no requirement to buy any car, so if you think it is not value for money, buy something else.

If you think you could build one to a better standard yourself for less money, then go ahead.

It is largely a free world after all.

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Alan – Sorry to pick on your logic in particular, but we’ve had this debate a number of times before.

AlanHogg wrote:
…I also find it hard to accept the asking price for these cars considering the underpinnings…


Surely the finished car can be worth more than the sum of its parts?

Or should this $200 million painting be described based on its underpinnings, which is just some paint thrown onto a canvas afterall?



AlanHogg wrote:
… Take a look at a Marlin Cabrio or Sportster which in the case of the former can be had for less than half the price and it's a no brainer...


Its only a ‘no brainer’ if the look of the Marlin appeals to you more than the look of the Sammio.

Seeing a Marlin didn't inspire me to build a kit car, but seeing just photos of a Spyder did! :eek:

Also, I do understand all the arguments about running gear and performance, etc.

But on that basis, my wife’s Kia Picanto outperforms my car in pretty much every measurable area. :icon_sad:

However, her car is completely anonymous, whereas my car turns heads and gets a very positive reaction. :cool:

So I really believe that my car is worth more than the sum of its parts, but also accept it is not for everyone.

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Mike – Follow Mister Towed’s advice and double the price for a quick sale. :icon_wink:

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Peace and goodwill to all, Paul. :)
14 Dec 2018, 7:58am
Well said, Paul.

The original, Marina based Marlin with Alfa Romeo livery was high on my list of desired cars thirty-five years ago, even though its underpinnings were from one of Clarkson's worst cars of all time, solely because it looked like a 30's racing car.

They've since taken the car in a different direction, with powerful BMW drive-trains, big alloys with wide rubber and retro/modern styling similar to some of Morgan's modernised designs.

I know that makes them fast and exhilarating and they have a real fan base who love their cars, but they're no longer the class of car - classic replicas - that I find desirable and really feel a need to build. They also don't stir the emotions as much as something prettier, hence they're competing against second-hand Sevens for sales, which typically attract buyers in the £6-8k bracket.

As for the performance side of things, Paul's right again, my own daily driver, the mighty 2016 Nissan Pulsar 1.2 turbo, has a roof, a windscreen, an efficient heater with aircon, a radio, bluetooth, a professional spray job, is safe, quiet, comfortable, spacious, has cruise control, is very economical, has great brakes, dynamic stability control, and is faster than a mk1 Golf GTI, so it's a 'better' car in almost every respect than anything I'm likely to build, or even an M3 powered Marlin Roadster. So is it a more desirable and valuable car than a Sammio Spyder? No, I keep losing it in car parks, even when it's the only car there.

I think we have a bit of a Brexit style impasse here:

Those of us who 'get' the Sammio thing are like those MP's who are happy with the current deal that's on the table - something that has questionable underpinnings but looks good to those who appreciate it.

Those who'd prefer a Marlin are like the MP's who want a hard Brexit with no compromises - more money left in your pocket in the short-term, performance at any cost and never mind what it ends up looking like.

RochdaleGT is like the DUP - they really don't know what they want but are prepared to shout everyone else down to get it.

Anyway, this debate is likely to be pretty redundant after 29th March next year as instead of enjoying our cars we'll all likely be living rough, wearing loin cloths, wielding stone axes and smearing woad on our faces. :(
14 Dec 2018, 10:36am
I was watching an episode of Wheeler Dealers the other night. They were featuring a Messerschmitt bubble car. Mike found one to restore that cost £18,000. They then spent a fair bit of time and money ( time costs are not factored in remember ) and ended up selling for £25,000. It wasn't to my taste and its not the style of car for me, but it was a cracking car when it was finished. Sold to an enthusiast who wanted a really nice example and that's the going rate for them at the moment.
14 Dec 2018, 10:56am
You certainly got my profile right --I'm very much in the 'out and to hell with it' camp.
My Mx5 does everything that you could probably want in a 'fun' car , but my Alfa powered Marlin provides the grin factor at a lot less money , though I appreciate that they are not to everyone's taste.
14 Dec 2018, 1:50pm
Just goes to prove that in todays marketplace what a phenomenal bargain a second-hand Marlin is, particularly roadsters. Entertaining to drive, reasonably comfortable on a longish run, plenty of thumbs-up from fellow motorists and great conversation pieces.
14 Dec 2018, 1:58pm
Lucky - those Messerschmitt tandem 'bubble' cars are now fetching serious money despite their obvious shortcomings as a car. I remember seeing one in a custom car mag decades ago that had a ruddy great Japanese bike engine complete with back wheel powering it. The owner said it would hit 60 in less than five seconds but he daren't go any faster than that.

You'll also see one crossing the line at the end of the Mille Miglia in James Martin's 'The Real Italian Job' while the celebrity chef watches on after his million dollar Maserati broke down. If I recall correctly, someone says 'Haven't you got one of those?' to which he solemnly replies 'Yes'. Could've saved himself an awful lot of money and finished the event if he'd just thought to enter it.

A-H, I love the idea of an alfa powered Marlin, I take it it's an old one? Any pictures? I too bought an MX-5 about a decade ago but it wasn't for me as it was just too good at everything. Where's the fun in that?
14 Dec 2018, 4:37pm
Lucky@LeMans wrote:
I was watching an episode of Wheeler Dealers the other night. They were featuring a Messerschmitt bubble car. Mike found one to restore that cost £18,000. They then spent a fair bit of time and money ( time costs are not factored in remember ) and ended up selling for £25,000. It wasn't to my taste and its not the style of car for me, but it was a cracking car when it was finished. Sold to an enthusiast who wanted a really nice example and that's the going rate for them at the moment.


Just wanted to use this as an example that a car doesn't have to have much in the way of performance, practicalities and the like to be desirable, collectable and interesting.
14 Dec 2018, 6:24pm
Ed China found the bubble car a bit small so he bought an Outspan


I promise you that I'm not taking the pith.

Beautifully trimmed inside.
14 Dec 2018, 7:04pm
Alfa powered Marlin

Try this!
14 Dec 2018, 7:15pm
Roadster

Taken these prior to engine removal to address oil leak.
Engine is taken from an Alfetta 2.0litre and is mated via purpose made adaptor to Ford type 9 gearbox.
15 Dec 2018, 8:01am
Sportster04 wrote:
Just goes to prove that in todays marketplace what a phenomenal bargain a second-hand Marlin is, particularly roadsters. Entertaining to drive, reasonably comfortable on a longish run, plenty of thumbs-up from fellow motorists and great conversation pieces.


You are right, the Cabrios especially. There was a Roadster in Scotland advertised for around £2,500 recently. I was very, very tempted, just to try it out for a few months. But having owned an NG in the past, I know that there is always something more that needs fettling, and that something more can range from a couple of quid to several hundreds.
15 Dec 2018, 9:00am
JagTVR - I understand that the Outspan's performance was quite zesty for its day. So long as it had some juice in it you could peel back the tarmac with its Seville hundred horsepower.

I'll get my coat...
15 Dec 2018, 9:01am
Alan H - very nice looking installation. I Love it.
27 Jan 2019, 4:25pm
micky1mo wrote:
As this listing is SAMMIO FOR SALE!! I thought I might try and sell one. :director:

I have a customer who's possibly getting banned from driving (to many points), so I waiting for him to decide what's happening to his car and my bill!!:eusa_snooty:.
Because of this I thought I might see if anyone on here might be interested as it would make some one a very nice Christmas present!!!:icon_lol:

It's a Sammio Spyder, on a 1968 Triumph chassis fitted with a vitesse 2lt driving a 4 speed gearbox with a very short exhaust (sounds assume) .
The car is almost complete and nearly ready for an MOT. It's running 14" MG steel wheels, fiberglass seats, full rewire ect.
It is un-painted so will need cosmetic attention.

If it come's up for sale you can take it as-it-is or for a little extra cost it could be sold running and driving with a new MOT and registered correctly with DVLA.

In light of the recent postings I think offers around £14,000 would be about right. How ever I would consider £10,000 in monopoly money and the £4,000 in sterling please. :loco:
Sorry as yet, no photo's but I'll ask if I can post some when I next contact the customer. :boom:

Anyone interested PM me.


It's now confirmed this car is for sale.




Still asking £4,000.
PM me if your interested. :director:
17 Feb 2019, 6:05pm
As this car still remains unsold we have decided to put in some effort and send it off for paint.


Spent some time bring on the interior.



Also stripped the car and prepped the body for the primer coat.





The finished colour is going to be a shade of "baby blue" :peace:
19 Feb 2019, 6:14pm
Bonnet's back waiting to be sanded ready for the top cote.


24 Feb 2019, 12:20pm
Body is finally flatted-off ready for paint next week.



If all goes to plan it should be listed on E-Bay the weekend. :eusa_dance:
24 Feb 2019, 4:30pm
Got a surprize call from the painter and the car is now in the booth so it'll be blue in the morning!!:thumb:

25 Feb 2019, 11:01am
THEY LOOK GOOD IN PALE BLUE ...I did a VW Danish blue one and its a cool colour ...
Good luck with the sale ..my car has had a very slow response until this weekend when , as the sun came out , so did the potential buyers !
25 Feb 2019, 5:20pm
lancelot link Lets hope the sun and the potential buyer stay out-and-about for a while. :rofl:


Body now painted.






It's a very hard colour to photograph. :hurt:
25 Feb 2019, 7:53pm
But it does look fantastic!
26 Feb 2019, 6:05pm
I have been trying to get a good photo of the paint job and this is the best I can do.




Sun glasses needed !!:icon_cool:
26 Feb 2019, 6:19pm
Very complimentary light blue. Looks great!
27 Feb 2019, 7:33am
Love that pastel or duck egg blue. Very classy.