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From concept to reality

27 Jul 2015, 4:06pm
Wow...:smile: It really looks great. You have got a winner there.
I think the graphite grey would be an ideal colour, the same as those black and red alloys.
29 Jul 2015, 4:20am
DSG4ME wrote:
Wow...:smile: It really looks great. You have got a winner there.
I think the graphite grey would be an ideal colour, the same as those black and red alloys.


Thanks DSG$ME
After the response I received when I posted the rear I was expecting more comments on the front.

So either you all like the rear more

or

You cant see anything wrong with the front

or

more likely no ones interested :P
Its ok I'll get my coat
29 Jul 2015, 8:16am
Ofcourse we're interested, maybe a bit of photoshop would help.
29 Jul 2015, 9:39am
Here is a PS sketch of something similar just to get an idea of what Roadster could be aiming for.





29 Jul 2015, 11:09am
How about grill folding over the top of bonnet...

29 Jul 2015, 12:32pm
DSG4ME wrote:
Here is a PS sketch of something similar just to get an idea of what Roadster could be aiming for.



It looks well, have you an idea of the headlights your going to be using?
If your going going down the modern look as I think you are, I would reconsider using fiat coupe rear lights as the amber colour to me screams out old car.
29 Jul 2015, 1:01pm
Roadster wrote:



More like this
Im looking forward to the day I can reveal the front end.


I like that very much, though would prefer for the top of the front wing vent to be higher - to the top of the wheel arch. It looks disjointed as it is.
The front is good too, and reminiscent of a modern cobra interpretation posted previously on another thread. The front design will be made or broken by your headlamp choice, something aggressive is needed due to the sporty nature of the design and that may be difficult to achieve with the soft shape of round headlamps. A good starting point will be to ignore the FIAT 500 lamps chosen by Anthony. Anything should be better than those on this type of car.

Is it Z4 based and have you had a project date from Chris for the build? I like it so much I'm interested in knowing when they'll be on sale. Any idea?
29 Jul 2015, 6:28pm
Danny_HUFC wrote:
It looks well, have you an idea of the headlights your going to be using?
If your going going down the modern look as I think you are, I would reconsider using fiat coupe rear lights as the amber colour to me screams out old car.


Thanks DSG4ME I knew you would whip up a visual for me.

I have chosen fiat 500 front lamps - I tried bmw mini but they look huge in the new lower position.
Danny I know what you mean about the fiat coupe lamps - I intend to tint all 4 of them smoke colour.
Its not a perfect soloution but the fiat bezels lend theirselves to the curves of the boot and they contain fog and reverse in a very small area

She is Z3 based and I believe Chris will have the project ready in December but worth giving him a ring
29 Jul 2015, 7:24pm
Without getting melodramatic over this, I strongly suggest you reconsider your headlamp choice. Fiat 500s are designed as pretty, cute, small, friendly little cars, and they meet those criteria perfectly.
You want a snarling, evil, in your face car with the presence of a wolf with a flickknife. Look at the Bertini and tell me fiat 500 lights suit it!
29 Jul 2015, 7:25pm


I hope you don't mind DSG but I used paint again crude but im trying to show whats in my head

Y cymro I agree im not sure on the wing vent but I think I need to see in the flesh before I finalise.
29 Jul 2015, 7:32pm
y cymro wrote:
Without getting melodramatic over this, I strongly suggest you reconsider your headlamp choice. Fiat 500s are designed as pretty, cute, small, friendly little cars, and they meet those criteria perfectly.
You want a snarling, evil, in your face car with the presence of a wolf with a flickknife. Look at the Bertini and tell me fiat 500 lights suit it!


Bertini is a Jag D type front end with a XK8 bumper blended to it.

The Austin Morris Mini is small cute looking car.
But it has a 7" sealed beam that was in C type D type E type and AC Cobras

I know what you mean but its all about how you use parts in a holistic approach.
Its common place in the specialist car market to use mundane parts Lotus and TVR are obvious with it.

Seeing my idea what headlamps would you choose.
29 Jul 2015, 10:59pm
What about Porsche 997 headlamps.

29 Jul 2015, 11:23pm
Roadster wrote:
Bertini is a Jag D type front end with a XK8 bumper blended to it.

No, it's a unique design. I think Anthony's done an exceptional job of designing a good looking car in its own right. Though I think it would be better with different headlights.

Roadster wrote:

The Austin Morris Mini is small cute looking car.
But it has a 7" sealed beam that was in C type D type E type and AC Cobras

I can only remember round 7" headlamps in the early 60s and every car had them!
A difference between the original Mini and the new 500, is that the former was a superb, simple, pragmatic design for a small family car, whilst the latter was designed deliberately to look cute and evoke the past.

Roadster wrote:
I know what you mean but its all about how you use parts in a holistic approach.

A holistic approach is important and that's what I'm suggesting: an aggressive sports car built using similarly themed, aggressive-looking parts. Putting cutesy headlamps on it can't be construed as holistic.


Roadster wrote:
ts common place in the specialist car market to use mundane parts Lotus and TVR are obvious with it.

That was purely around cost saving and is something often picked up negatively by journalists during road tests. Manufacturers have been doing it for years and sometimes it's acceptable and sometimes it's not. If you remember the Austin Maxi, you'll remember it had Austin 1800 doors which compromised the design of what, at the time, was regarded as a clever car (though still shite imho).
29 Jul 2015, 11:30pm
Are you sure new Mini headlamps wouldn't work. This Mini design is quite similar to yours especially if you cut 200mm off the bottom of it

29 Jul 2015, 11:40pm
The Puritalia 427 is a similar concept. Not sure of the provenance of the headlamps though

29 Jul 2015, 11:56pm
Alfa Romeo Giulietta headlamps:

30 Jul 2015, 4:43am
y cymro wrote:
What about Porsche 997 headlamps.



Yes these are great and 993 but cost is an issue cheapest I can find in a £1000 for the pair - same as my donor
30 Jul 2015, 4:45am
y cymro wrote:
Are you sure new Mini headlamps wouldn't work. This Mini design is quite similar to yours especially if you cut 200mm off the bottom of it



Once again I agree great choice - superleggera have not used production lamps - shame these would be an option
30 Jul 2015, 4:47am
y cymro wrote:
The Puritalia 427 is a similar concept. Not sure of the provenance of the headlamps though




I need to do some research I don't recognise these but if price is realistic they might make a better option
30 Jul 2015, 5:14am
The Puritalia is in the same direction as my sketch - I had never seen it when I searched cobra concepts.

The headlamps look bespoke with projector units behind covers.
Maybe that could be a solution to losing any references to other cars

https://youtu.be/wKzyJ-4IeVQ




My original sketch - the idea was there but my proportions almost mid engine.
The lower lamps were added when I realised that the fiat 500 main lamps were only dipped and indicator.
The bonnet scoop was added after I visited Chris and had a chat
30 Jul 2015, 6:41am
I think you will find that the new 2015 Mini Cooper S headlamps are identical to the Mini Superleggera units.




30 Jul 2015, 6:56am
Thanks DGM
The lights I looked at in EuroCar Parts didn't resemble those
30 Jul 2015, 7:11am
DSG4ME wrote:
I think you will find that the new 2015 Mini Cooper S headlamps are identical to the Mini Superleggera units.






Mini 2014 on F56 lamps
More expensive but worth a try - maybe I will take my tape measure to a dealership first
30 Jul 2015, 8:29am
Lots of good ideas there, and some fun for you when checking them out. Good luck, and please keep us informed. It looks a very exciting project.
Steve
30 Jul 2015, 8:40am
Are we getting closer ???