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Dino 206P

18 Feb 2014, 9:52pm
That's great news to hear. Please post lots of photos.
Are you keeping a list of all the parts that you are using to do this build?
Might be very useful if you make a mould and want to sell some.
Looking forward to your next post.
20 Feb 2014, 9:22am
Hi guys,
some updates, my planishing hammer arrived yesterday, and I did some testparts like a cover for the b-pillar inside, and the hoods for the bonnet.
It is amazing, when you start hammeringyou think "ok, this will be in the bin in a minute...", but when you keep hammering and smoothing it really turns out! The hammer is a china-thing, I paid about 120$ for it, but for that price it is really cool!












20 Feb 2014, 9:26am
And I did the framework for the rear end, easy to weld it flat, but then it was really difficult to get the curvature in the topview...
Still mounted too high at the moment, but for the first try it turned out to be quite good!













20 Feb 2014, 5:34pm
Love the metal shaping, great skill. :cool:

Axel wrote:
... My dream is to build it out of 100% metal one day...


Any idea what % of metal / fibreglass you will have in this current version of the car?

Good luck, Paul. :)
20 Feb 2014, 7:35pm
Paul L wrote:


Any idea what % of metal / fibreglass you will have in this current version of the car?

Good luck, Paul. :)


Don't know, may be 50:50, the sills can easily be replaced with metal ones if I want, I will try some fenders too and decide if I keep the fiberglass...it depends how the metal ones turn out!
20 Feb 2014, 10:41pm
Loving this thread, great vision and craftwork going on. Keep up the excellent work. :high5:

John
21 Feb 2014, 8:54am
JG wrote:
Loving this thread, great vision and craftwork going on. Keep up the excellent work. :high5:

John


Thanks John!
26 Feb 2014, 7:29am
Some updates, finished the subframe for the rear end, and built the first spherical metal panels with the pneumatic hammer.
Hmm...building the body out of 100% metal and eliminating the fiberglass parts might take a longer time until it's finished, but could be worth it.
I've bought an english wheel for metal shaping- should arrive tomorrow- and then I will see what I can do with the new toy.

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26 Feb 2014, 9:10am
Morning Axel, do you already know how to use the metal shaping equipment?
26 Feb 2014, 9:23am
Hi Gary

well, I saw some vids at youtube, and got some advices at allmetalshaping.com, and the rest is learning by doing at the moment with quite acceptable results...
There is a facility offering some courses in our town, I might do a course just for watching how the experts are doing it!
1 Mar 2014, 7:44pm
Hi Axel, congratulations on undertaking such a fantastic project. I admire anyone willing to take on new skills with metal shaping. The 206sp has always been a favourite of mine and the Italian V6 is it's heart. I agree with other posters here that the Alfa v6 is the best money for passion option. I once posted a link to a photo of such an engine in someone's Ferrari P4 replica:

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/5783/p4nbrodbenderebayaugusthw9.jpg

So you can see it can be fitted in your chassis with an adapter plate. Other gearboxes besides the Renault include the Porsche Boxster/Audi which is cheaper than a 911 box and better suited.

Many years ago I visited the guys in Invercargill New Zealand who were making a few exact replicas of the 206sp. They had a chassis or two and the aluminium panels - which I photographed. A guy in Queenstown had expertly made the body from scratch over a wooden buck in the original way. Here is a link to some more info on it:

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/acalvert/205.html

And there were some youtube videos of it in action, if I can find them. They offered to buy my Fiat Dino 2 litre motor, which is the road- going version of the engine used in the sports racing version. Costs for these engines are easily ten times the Alfa v6 though. So unless you want ultra precise replication why would you bother? And you have a 105% body size so I see that is not the path you wish to follow.

I see on the German gt40 site people are suggesting all sorts of engines/gearboxes. The Fiat 130 v6 of 3.2 litres is a good engine but it is old, low powered by today's standards and only loosely connected to the Dino ( it was developed by the team that had reworked the Dino, in conjunction with Ferrari, for road-going reliability, including Lampredi - one of the all-time great ferrari engine designers, now working at Fiat). The Mazda KLZE is indeed great but front drive only ( see clairetoo's posts on locostbuilder uk website for adapter plate and info). The three litre mazda v6 is a totally different old lump of a design. Of course a Porsche Boxster engine/box would be great and easy, as would a Subaru flat4. But no Italian-ness!
2 Mar 2014, 4:10pm
Thanks Ross!

This is very interesting Information you gave me!
I also think alfa V6 will be the best choice!
Very interesting pic with the P4 Alfa/Porsche drivetrain! Thick adaptor plate!
I guess because of the hydraulic clutch conversion, which sits on the center drive shaft.
And many thanks for the links, great vids of a nice reproduction.
I have heard he has sold the car and I think it is/was for sale again, but I am not sure if it is the same car...
Let's see how mine will turn out, wish I would have more time at the moment...
6 Mar 2014, 8:40am
Little update:

I installed the steering column and steering wheel, helps a lot moving the car in-and-out of the shop.
And I tested my new english wheel with some panels for the bonnet.

Huuuh...it's not like you buy that tool and you can do all kinds of double-curved panels immediately...there is a lot to learn, but it is amazing how easily it domes!
Sometimes it domes so fast, that you soon realize it is already too much curvature, and then there is almost no way back...! I ended up in cutting that panel and made an extra part for it!





6 Mar 2014, 11:31am
You're making it look far too easy, Axel. I would like an english wheel myself, I'd quite like to make one...
6 Mar 2014, 7:39pm
wow you are really making a superb job of this build. This is going to ( does ) look amazing. Although I have to say that all eyes would be on that beautiful lady in the purple:jaw:, WOW is that your wife :smile: . Good luck with the rest of the build although you don't need it. I can't wait for more photo's ( of the car ). Where did you get your hammer from was it Ebay?. Thanks . UFO17.
6 Mar 2014, 8:23pm
The Lady in purple is the daughter of a friend of mine, it was her dream being brought to the graduation ball with the Countach! ;-)

Yes, the hammer I got from ebay, 100€ plus shipping, the english wheel cost a bit more, around 550€. But it is definitely worth it.
11 Mar 2014, 8:11am
some updates and metal experiments:















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12 Mar 2014, 8:27am
I did some tests yesterday with exchanging the solid wheel from my english wheel to a polyurethane one (pinched from a heavy load carrier), and the results were amazing.
I was able to easily bend the area around the blister, did the corners with the planishing hammer, and wheeled it afterwards with the solid wheel to partially stretch it and smooth it out.
I am pretty satisfied with the result as it was the first attempt, but have a look yourself!














12 Mar 2014, 8:14pm
Alex - This is seriously impressive work. :cool:

Your car is going to be spectacular when it is finished.

Good luck, Paul. :)
13 Mar 2014, 7:08am
Thanks Paul!
15 Mar 2014, 10:34am
Interesting information!
Thanks for the links, Ross