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My mx5 based plug

29 Aug 2014, 10:07pm
Hi Phil

Working on it as much as possible. Here is a few shots.I would be very interested in a chassis. My aim has always been to build a shell and chassis and offer this as a complete new kit car rather than a body conversion. Drop me an email [email]widowsportscars@yahoo.co.uk[/email]




30 Aug 2014, 11:16am
good progress

looks like the original rear arches need chopping back for clearance?
30 Aug 2014, 1:28pm
Yes will do that once I have fitted coilovers in next few days. Then I can get the ride height all correct before rebuilding the arches lower.
14 Oct 2014, 6:59pm
Few shots of where it is. Currently working on the rear end at the moment. Should have some updates soon. Going to remove the roof hump and rebuild the arches last. Then go over the whole car doing final prep and ensure all lines are correct etc.





14 Oct 2014, 8:22pm
That's coming along surprisingly well. I like the rear view, which is quite original.
:icon_cool:
16 Nov 2014, 3:20pm
No joke. Back to basics. Sort of a tvr style eventually with fiberglass shell and a chassis. A drivers car no gimmicks no thrills just powerful fun. Had an old 911 no abs no nothing and loved it.
22 Nov 2014, 6:39pm
Few pics of the progress. Just black primer to show imperfections







24 Nov 2014, 2:52pm
Front end update. Just need to reshape bonnet slope and make lips on all the cut outs.


1 Dec 2014, 8:11pm
Car now lowered and still has 90mm ground clearance from chassis rails to the ground. Rear tyres have been changed to 40 profile fronts will get that as well. So now i know the arches are filled out i can get on with finishing it and getting the moulds done.



26 Dec 2014, 11:00am
Wayne - I've been following your project on & off for a while now.
So first things, first, you have shown some great bodywork skills to have reached this stage. :cool:
Whilst your design is not for me, I do wish you well and would like to give you some constructive feedback.

Please Note:
The written word can come across much stronger than the spoken one.
So I want to make it clear that I've not written this to attack you, or your build, in anyway.
I hope you find some of the following helpful, even if it seems quite harsh in places.

Hobby vs. Business:
- Do you intend making these kits to be a part time, or full time business?
- Either way, you need a business model that actually adds up, including the value of your time.
- My own build has become a "one off" design, but I wouldn't expect anyone else to fund my hobby.
- However, providing a sound investment opportunity is a different matter.

Kickstarter:
- I think this website seems more geared up to the hobby side of building your own "one off" dream car.
- Whereas, you are actually asking for business capital in return for a key ring & a name check on a website.
( How far do you think a pitch like that would get you on "Dragon's Den"? :eek:)
- Both your bio and the project description are littered with typos and mangled English.
( "...all the lighting is off the shelf product to keep build costs low for the end person." )
- You will never raise £15k sounding like a Nigerian scam artist. :icon_wink:
- Unfortunately, your fixed funding period also straddles Christmas, a time when most people do not have spare cash.

Kit Contents:
- I am still not sure what your final kit package will include.
- One magazine article mentions a roll bar, but that is not included in your list of parts on Kickstarter.
- Similarly, does the glass panel for the opening rear hatch form part of the kit too?
- Personally, I would like to see a detailed list of what is included and what needs to be bought separately.
- Listing some possible suppliers and the prices for your lighting, exhausts, etc. would also help.
( As clearly the back end of your car is built around a specific rear light cluster. )

USA Moulds:
- It appears you have not actually established an arrangement with a company in the US yet.
- In which case, I would strongly suggest you drop this idea all together at this time.
- I can imagine it would required a lot of work to manage a US agent while based in the UK.
( E.g. Production quality, sales audits, collecting royalties, protecting the moulds, etc. )
- To date, you haven't sold a single kit in the UK, so please don't try to run before you can walk.
- Expanding beyond your capacity is the road to ruin, especially in the kit car business.
- Hopefully one set of moulds for the UK would require less funding too.

UK Fabrication Company:
- Are you only using them on a one off basis to produce the moulds?
- Or are they also going to produce the actual kit panels going forward as well?
- In which case, how to you plan to operate/manage/control your business going forward?

Tribute Automotive:
- Your design is clearly different to Tribute's MX250, but the basic build principles appear to be the same.
- Their website is currently under construction, but it does shows what their kit includes.
http://www.tributeautomotive.com/mx250.html
- If your final kit price is going to be significantly higher, I'd want to know what the extra money was paying for.
- Especially if you manage to have your capital investment funded via Kickstarter.
( As Tribute's kit price includes an element to cover the time & money they invested in developing their kit. )

Anyway, rather than keep banging on, that is more than enough from me. :rolleyes:

And, as I often say on my own build, "What do I know?".

Good luck, Paul. :)
23 Feb 2015, 8:32am
Wayne - It appears that my last reply has stopped this build thread in its tracks. :icon_sad:

I'm sorry if it didn't come across the way I intended it to, as I was genuinely trying to help.

Personally, I know a lot about accounting, including business cases, but very little about car building. :rolleyes:
Therefore I have drawn on the car building experiences of others to help me with my project.
( E.g. Great feedback on potential problems with my planned grille resulted in a change of design yesterday. )

Whereas, you appear to know a lot about car building, but not as much about the business side of things.
So all I can do is simply suggest you get some help with these areas from other people who do.

Because when you are using your own money, you are free to do whatever you want with your project.
However, if you want to use other people's money, then you must make it worth their while to invest.

Good luck, Paul. :)
1 Mar 2015, 11:23pm
Few updates. Rear lower bumper spoiler diffuser still needs blending. Front spoiler lip.




10 Mar 2015, 9:09pm
Latest pictures. Garden dried out so i managed to get it out the garage.




11 Mar 2015, 10:14pm
I love this and could see myself being tempted by a body conversion type of kit. Good luck with it all
17 Mar 2015, 11:18pm
Good news the SPR1 goes into production next week. See you all at Stonleigh.
18 Mar 2015, 7:02pm
This is really starting to look seriously good. I'm not sure about the name and badge style ( horses for courses ) I think leaving it unbadged would have people thinking it was some exotic obscure super car for the super rich. but really well done. some great designs, I absolutely love the back of the roof bulge :biggrin::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:
18 Mar 2015, 7:09pm
I do love the look of the car and hope you sell many kits but I do agree about the name and the badges you have had made wont do the car any justice at all. They look awfully china cheap like. Good look at Stonleigh
19 Mar 2015, 12:19pm
I say that about the badges as they remind me of a set of 'ferrari' centercap badges I bought off ebay from china for my tribute MX250....



They lasted all about 10 seconds on just so I could take the picture!

Is supprising how cheap you can get a logo made up by a graphics designer as apposed to a home made job using the likes of microsoft paint.
19 Mar 2015, 4:18pm
Wayne - Congratulations on getting your kit into production. :cool:

If you don't mind me asking, where did you get the funding from in the end?

I actually think the yellow logo is easier to read than the previous red one.

Although the font used for "Sports Cars" is not very clear at all, sorry.

Good luck, Paul. :)

PS
You could always PM Anthony Cherry about the design/logo/bagdes for his Bertini kit.

7 Apr 2015, 10:50pm
About to take the moulds.




8 Apr 2015, 6:54pm
Amazing mate! Great work!