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Re-worked And Re-styled Navigator

4 Oct 2013, 6:18pm
Paul L wrote:
Are you planning to "graft" what is left of your Spitfire bonnet to the fibre glass one?

You are making great progress so far & I look forward to the rest of this build.

Good luck, Paul. :)


That's correct, if it all goes to plan I should end up with a nice curve forming between the fiberglass bonnet to the steel bonnet :bounce:
5 Oct 2013, 6:47pm
Bonnet now "re-formed" :icon_smile:



5 Oct 2013, 11:00pm
Special Doors

Micky,

I do think the cut down doors give this car a little bit of extra eligance.
Excellent job.

HM
6 Oct 2013, 7:58am
micky1mo wrote:
... Bonnet now "re-formed" ...

You are making this look very easy.

Any chance you can talk us through the process a bit?

Do you have any photos of underside of the join?

This "joining metal to fibreglass" approach might help we when I start work on my bulkhead.

Cheers, Paul. :)
6 Oct 2013, 4:26pm
Paul L wrote:
You are making this look very easy.

Do you have any photos of underside of the join?


Cheers, Paul. :)


As requested, the joint.



7 Oct 2013, 5:40pm
Thanks for the photo. :cool:

So was it just a combination of bonding, riveting & fibre glassing?

The bonnet should certainly keep its shape better than a "just" fibreglass one.

Plus you will have "factory" shut lines where it closes too.

Keep up the great work, Paul. :)
8 Oct 2013, 7:55am
Sorry, I was so busy looking at the join, I missed the other significant thing in that photo...

This is the first photo of a Navigator/Cordite with a working flip up bonnet in place that I have seen. :cool:

That's not to say, no one else has done it before, just that I've not seen a photo on here.

Obviously I'm now going to ask you how you got that to work too. :icon_wink:

Cheers, Paul. :)
8 Oct 2013, 8:19am
Paul L wrote:
Sorry, I was so busy looking at the join, I missed the other significant thing in that photo...

This is the first photo of a Navigator/Cordite with a working flip up bonnet in place that I have seen. :cool:

Cheers, Paul. :)


Strange question, as I thought they all had a flip bonnet, the same is fitted to the G-46 :nerd:

Why not call at my workshop next time your travaling along the M4 (10 min from J16) where all will be explained. I also make a great cup-of-tea :tea:
8 Oct 2013, 4:57pm
Thanks for the offer of tea, I'll bring the biscuits if I am ever passing.

Just to explain the comment about the bonnet...

Yes, all the Cordites / Navigators came with a flip up bonnet.

However, they could only be fitted after a large section from the front of the chassis was removed.

But in order to get the re-body inspection, the chassis must be unaltered.

So personally I'm still waiting to sort out the body before I can get a working bonnet.

I hope that makes sense, Paul. :)
9 Oct 2013, 6:17am
micky1mo wrote:
Bonnet now "re-formed" :icon_smile:





TX tripper comes to mind with the doors cut away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
9 Oct 2013, 9:34am
Could you tell me what materials you have used to bond the fiberglass to the metal bonnet please ? I have tried to that in the past on a trike project and had very little success in getting it to bond affectivly.
I have been told epoxy glue by a local chap who used to make a vw beetle bodykit but don't know which one as there are loads of diferent types.
11 Oct 2013, 2:33pm
The Shadow wrote:
Could you tell me what materials you have used to bond the fiberglass to the metal bonnet please ? I have tried to that in the past on a trike project and had very little success in getting it to bond affectivly.
I have been told epoxy glue by a local chap who used to make a vw beetle bodykit but don't know which one as there are loads of diferent types.


Anything ?
11 Oct 2013, 4:15pm
The Shadow wrote:
Anything ?


Hi I am not sure but i can see red spread?
11 Oct 2013, 4:29pm
red spread ? Do you mean the stuff they call Kitty hair ? looks like Ronald Macdonalds pubes in a tin of grease ! I thinks its called p38 or chopped strand mix professionelly.
I didn't have much luck with that sticking properly to metal but talking to a bodyman who certainly sounded like he knew his onions he said it has to be mega scratched up first and you use a specialist primer. does that sound right to you mick?
11 Oct 2013, 4:42pm
The Shadow wrote:
red spread ? Do you mean the stuff they call Kitty hair ? looks like Ronald Macdonalds pubes in a tin of grease ! I thinks its called p38 or chopped strand mix professionelly.
I didn't have much luck with that sticking properly to metal but talking to a bodyman who certainly sounded like he knew his onions he said it has to be mega scratched up first and you use a specialist primer. does that sound right to you mick?


LOL well thats another way of putting it:eusa_drool: .
11 Oct 2013, 4:44pm
I don't think I'm going to sleep tonight...... Ronald Macdonald's pubes in a tin of grease. I used to like P38.
11 Oct 2013, 4:46pm
Maybe a great name for a new product mr shadow
11 Oct 2013, 6:22pm
That's the stuff but I didn't know Ronald Macdonald had anything to do with it.:badgrin:

I got my info from the body shop next door and thought I'd try it.
I just removed all the paint from metal surface using a sanding wheel (which also left the surface rough), then did the same on the fiberglass mating surfaces.
Whipped the whole lot down with acetone which cleans and de-greases the surfaces and also softens the fiberglass.
Stuck them both together, 1/2 hour later it done! It appears to be stronger then fiberglass bonding paste.

That said I am told it's now common practice in body shops bond panels on using some sort of "sticky stuff" instead of welding them on. Must be good stuff
15 Oct 2013, 12:45pm
Most of the hard work is now done so started playing with the light.



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Still after a pair of Spitfire seats and some carpet, can anybody help? :eusa_think:
15 Oct 2013, 1:22pm
Nice, particularly like the adjustable bonnet brackets.

Can't help with the Spitfire seats I'm afraid, Just be aware that they might be a bit big.
15 Oct 2013, 2:00pm
hi wow looking good, does the tank come out with the body fitted?
looking forward to the next step ikon 246
15 Oct 2013, 4:06pm
Mister Towed wrote:
Nice, particularly like the adjustable bonnet brackets.
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The ajusting bolts are for a gate hinge!!.
I thought the ajustment might help in the final fitting and I wanted to be able to remove the bonnet if needed.
15 Oct 2013, 4:13pm
ikon246 wrote:
hi wow looking good, does the tank come out with the body fitted?


No, it was a new tank so should be good for several years yet but then you'll have to cut the body open to remove the tank.
You can still get to the sender unit and the other pipe work with the tank in place.