MadaboutKitcars

Hi Gary,
No, I have met neither Andy or Mike, nor spoken to either.

You are totally right though, there is nothing to stop anyone copying an old design. If another Nickri appeared for sale, anyone could take it, modify it as they like, mould it and offer it for sale. Similar concept cars look similar. Its the same with boats. They are sharp one end, blunt on the other, and all look similar, but just a little bit different.

This point was made by lancelot link.

One has to wonder how large the market is for these cars anyway. With 127 Sammios out there I would have thought the market would be saturated by now. How they were originally sold for the price they were I dont know. I did do some costings and I could produce them in my workshop, but with my large overheads there would be no profit at all.

On the plus side though, this high profile forum discussion will probably boost sales for both companies. Look at retail parks, where Currys, PC word and Dixons stand side by side, or where petrol stations are next to each other. Seems crazy, but it works.

I moved my business a couple of years ago to another marina, moving into workshops right alongside another buisiness offering the same service. We have both benefitted, although we have to be quick getting the estimates out and stay on our toes or we lose a job to 'next door'. Once I had moved, my top employee left, and took on the lease for my old workshop, just one mile away! Hey ho, thats the way it goes.

I do hope both these producers jog along together and realise the benefits of each other. Time, effort and money spent on solicitors is wasted in my opinion. I just spent 3.5k with solicitors with zero result!

Peace , Love and Embrace.

Right, back to work!

Seanick, I think the point is being lost here, it's not that someone has imitated the Ribble lineup, for me it's more the fact of who has done it and its been done with the clear knowledge of the effect it may have. If Mike had come clean at the start then Andy could have chosen to either walk away from the deal or they could have had some agreement up front which both were happy with. I may sound like I'm banging a drum here but having an almost identical business scenario myself some years ago, which I won in the end, I feel strongly that to some extent Andy has been legged over on the deal. You may say caveat emptor but that doesn't resolve the bad faith that I think has been shown buy at least one or more parties on the deal.

Oh and on a lighter note I concur with the below

Peace , Love and Embrace.

:-)

I agree its a fine line, and also as its really not my area of expertise I shall leave it at that, and get back to the Tribute forum where I belong. Well I think I do anyway!

Seanick, I believe there are no barriers here. I'm sure you are as welcome on this side of the fence as anyone

Having spoken to Mike over the last few weeks, I don't think it was ever the intention to set up a competitive company. As far as I am aware he is going to offer a lot more in the longer term as he certainly has the skill and knowledge to do.

in the meantime, as Seanick says, a little competition is good for the consumer and will offer choice where there was not much before.

The more of the 1950's style of cars that there are around will certainly help create awareness and interest in the market.

Anyway, there may be 127 Sammio kits sold, but I reckon that only about 20 are on the road!

Mike - First things, first, that is one seriously nice looking car.

As you know, I'd love to see more photos of the doors:
- How are the hinge mounted inside the doors & body shell?
- What do the door openings in the bodywork looks like?
- Similarly, the door profile, etc.
It would really give me something to aim for on my own build.

The only thing I would say on the legal front is check the small print.

[COLOR="Red"][Edit]... Removed my example ... [/Edit][/COLOR]

The law is generally just that, the law, not an opinion, feeling, or moral position.

Hope you and Andy can work something out.

Good luck, Paul.

oooh, look what a bit of surfing came up with...

[url]www.migliasportscars.co.uk[/url]

Looks like some of it is still work in progress, but I like the site

Looks very 50's...

As someone who has dealt with Copyright Infringement, IP and 'Passing Off' claims within the London Insurance Market, I find this all very sad...

I can see where both parties are coming from (as per the thread comments) and can tell you the only winners will be in the solicitors costs department.

In an ideal world AndyP57 would recognise mikmiglias skill in design and fabrication and award him the title of Southern Agent, with the opportunity to build 'Ribble' vehicles under licence for a suitably small fee.

mikmiglia would of course be free to submit improvements to the design and production of Ribble-style vehicles for an agreed fee, but as an Agent/Consultant he could also fabricate non-Ribble style vehicles which he could offer to AndyP57 or elsewhere.*

mikmiglia would therefore become Batista 'Pinin' Farina to AndyP57's 'Enzo Ferrari'...

*What constitutes a 'Ribble' / non-'Ribble' style vehicle would be open for lengthy debate...

The colour of the sky in my world is pink with blue dots...

Time to be honest



Did you really need to "surf" to find it?

The reason that I ask is that the twitter id "tlrtone" is linked to a chap called Tony ******.

A chap with the same name with a Poole address is the registered owner (this is all in the public domain) of the web domain management28.co.uk.

This domain name (and same Poole address) is given as the registered owner of the domain silo14.co.uk

Silo14 is the company credited with the design of migliasportscars.co.uk

Furthermore, the domain migliasportscars.co.uk is also registered to Tony ****** of the same Poole address.

Like anyone else that reads this, I am just assuming that this is a massive coincidence.

Its not a coincidence, he dropped into my workshop, and wanted one of my cars. And yes he builds websites, and very good onces too, very happy with what hes done. Highly recommended.

Oh........my fault, I must have missed the intended irony in his "oooh, look what a bit of surfing came up with..."

Thanks for clearing it up.

no probs

Ironic AND modest. Two good qualities.

That was my marketing speak.

I was thinking of making a teaser video for him too......

I was really impressed with mikes kit quality that offered to do his [url]www.automotivegrp.co.uk[/url] website and [url]www.migliasportscars.co.uk[/url]

Oops did I just post some more links? Damn. Can't help it.

True, well why wouldnt be , hes a good bloke, ive paid him to build me a good site , hes done what ive asked him too . so we are both happy

Don't worry, that was clear to just about everybody.

If you don't blow your own trumpet........

If you Google tlrtone then I pop up everywhere. Always use the same handle and never hide.

If you look on linkedin then you will also find that I am marketing manager for the uk's largest training company. Following certain comments from some people on here I am now 110% behind Mike and will help in any way I can

Visit [url]www.migliasportscars.co.uk[/url] and buy one now. Only 15 left VAT free so get in quick.

Bugger. Done it again

You've done well for yourself.

Absolutely...

Oh dear lord, sorry Mike your doomed, you've got some "in marketing" involved, sorry for your Loss....

Oh yes indeed look out Mike.

Your input has already had a big impact on the credibility of Mike's venture.

I tell you what with the enquiries im getting , i think not old chap