28 Jan 2012, 8:34am
Cheers. Just want to give you some money and get reassurance on what to cut and what to leave. Heading down now.
Nicks Sammio Build - take 2
28 Jan 2012, 9:23pm
Bit of work done today. check this if you are interested. https://sites.google.com/site/g46wca/january-28
suggestions for the name of this beast please
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I suggest Sammio
suggestions for the name of this beast please
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I suggest Sammio
28 Jan 2012, 9:27pm
I reckon you should encase him in Amber and use him as the Gear Knob. 
29 Jan 2012, 7:01am
Name
I guess Sammio Spider is too obvious..
I guess Sammio Spider is too obvious..
29 Jan 2012, 8:38am
Forgot to show the surface rust I uncovered on the outriggers. I had managed to get to the back of the outriggers and they seemed reasonably solid square steel with a touch of surface rust.
When I uncovered the front of the same bit of steel it had miraculously transformed into a single rusty leaf spring!
Any advice on Arc Welding?
It seems to be quite close to the plastic so I guess that might start melting / burning. not sure how best to approach that.
When I uncovered the front of the same bit of steel it had miraculously transformed into a single rusty leaf spring!
Any advice on Arc Welding?
It seems to be quite close to the plastic so I guess that might start melting / burning. not sure how best to approach that.
29 Jan 2012, 8:45am
Take the body off?
I think you will need to start from scratch!
I think you will need to start from scratch!
29 Jan 2012, 8:52am
I think you will need to start from scratch!
I hate to say it but based on my experiences, I agree.
29 Jan 2012, 8:57am
Define start from scratch please
I was thinking of cutting out the out rigger and replacing the whole length down the sides of the car.
For the bits that the outrigger is mounted to I was planning on cleaning up and then welding a bit on to the end if required.
Having said that, I haven't attacked it with the angle grinder and wire brush yet or even bought an arc welder so it is still theoretical at the moment.
All advice welcome
I was thinking of cutting out the out rigger and replacing the whole length down the sides of the car.
For the bits that the outrigger is mounted to I was planning on cleaning up and then welding a bit on to the end if required.
Having said that, I haven't attacked it with the angle grinder and wire brush yet or even bought an arc welder so it is still theoretical at the moment.
All advice welcome
29 Jan 2012, 9:05am
Looks like it it destined for a full body off rebuild. It will be the only way to make sure you have sorted everything. It is a pain to have to strip it all down, but the satisfaction of knowing that the next 10 years MOT's won't be a problem is a great feeling!
29 Jan 2012, 9:05am
think removing the lowerbody/floorpan might be in order
29 Jan 2012, 10:29am
Bu66er.
I think you are probably right though :-(
I think you are probably right though :-(
29 Jan 2012, 10:33am
Nick
No decision to be made floor pan, off and do the whole chassis.
Ours was gone in the same place and that is the best you will find a SE5a. The chassis repair was so simple new side rails both sides and front out riggers.
Chassis rails are available from Graham Walker Ltd next day delivery.
Did not have a welding kit at the time I did the work so I bolted and aligned the new new rails and a local freelance welder turn up to weld it all in place for about £35 I have not needed to use a welder since.
We have not worked on the car for the last month, been finishing the new garage, gutters and the boring bits outside, but god bits internally have fitted the garage out with tool racking systems and benches, will not post a picture in case no one talks to me in the future! All it needs is a bed and a wide screen telly.
Charlie my helper has also gone back to work abroad until May.
Rebuilding the front suspension is the current piece- meal job.
With the body off you can as mentioned by others refurbish the whole chassis and running gear
See our G46 V8 Mk1 thread
When naming our sammio's we should adopt the idea of Italianising your surname an idea devised by Madmark and ourselves in the pub one night, for instance:
Our surname is Charman so our car could be:-
1. Charmarini G46 V8 Mk1: or
2. Charmaratti G46 V8 Mk 1
Of course the name Sammio would be incorporates in the name but Gary might have to make the body wider to fit it in.
My wife being Italian maiden name was Lapi so that might work better as a Laparini or a Laparatti
In reference to how much to cut off the existing body, we cut and cut, and still had to cut more!
No decision to be made floor pan, off and do the whole chassis.
Ours was gone in the same place and that is the best you will find a SE5a. The chassis repair was so simple new side rails both sides and front out riggers.
Chassis rails are available from Graham Walker Ltd next day delivery.
Did not have a welding kit at the time I did the work so I bolted and aligned the new new rails and a local freelance welder turn up to weld it all in place for about £35 I have not needed to use a welder since.
We have not worked on the car for the last month, been finishing the new garage, gutters and the boring bits outside, but god bits internally have fitted the garage out with tool racking systems and benches, will not post a picture in case no one talks to me in the future! All it needs is a bed and a wide screen telly.
Charlie my helper has also gone back to work abroad until May.
Rebuilding the front suspension is the current piece- meal job.
With the body off you can as mentioned by others refurbish the whole chassis and running gear
See our G46 V8 Mk1 thread
When naming our sammio's we should adopt the idea of Italianising your surname an idea devised by Madmark and ourselves in the pub one night, for instance:
Our surname is Charman so our car could be:-
1. Charmarini G46 V8 Mk1: or
2. Charmaratti G46 V8 Mk 1
Of course the name Sammio would be incorporates in the name but Gary might have to make the body wider to fit it in.
My wife being Italian maiden name was Lapi so that might work better as a Laparini or a Laparatti
In reference to how much to cut off the existing body, we cut and cut, and still had to cut more!
29 Jan 2012, 10:36am
Thanks for the confirmation. Now I just need to find all the bolts.
Spanner of angle grinder?
The seats are rusted in place so they are being ground off underneath.
Spanner of angle grinder?
The seats are rusted in place so they are being ground off underneath.
29 Jan 2012, 11:52am
Spanner or angle grinder
Can't believe you asked the question, angle grinder of course.
I think there are 14 bolts, but you will not have to unbolt the ones on the front outrigger he,he.
We also had to angle grind the set runners as well.
Good luck.
Can't believe you asked the question, angle grinder of course.
I think there are 14 bolts, but you will not have to unbolt the ones on the front outrigger he,he.
We also had to angle grind the set runners as well.
Good luck.
29 Jan 2012, 5:25pm
Body free after much angle grinding ;-)
Can't break the steering column at the moment. I have removed one of the bolts in the UJ but my hammer doesn't seem big enough. I am bathing it in WD40 and having a beer while I think about it.
Any other suggestions
Can't break the steering column at the moment. I have removed one of the bolts in the UJ but my hammer doesn't seem big enough. I am bathing it in WD40 and having a beer while I think about it.
Any other suggestions
29 Jan 2012, 5:37pm
UJ bolts
Nick
I have been caught out on that before, have you taken the bolt all the way out as the splined shaft is notched to take part of the bolt diameter.
Nick
I have been caught out on that before, have you taken the bolt all the way out as the splined shaft is notched to take part of the bolt diameter.
29 Jan 2012, 6:01pm
Bolt is sat in what is left of the bulkhead :-(
I am putting my faith in WD40 and a lump hammer.
Also need to get the steering wheel off but don't have a big enough socket.
I am putting my faith in WD40 and a lump hammer.
Also need to get the steering wheel off but don't have a big enough socket.
29 Jan 2012, 6:50pm
sounds like this is moving forward nicely Nick ....you are discovering the cheap donor versus dearer donor disadvantages by the look of things .....
plus points are that your time is mostly free and if a builder doesn't have much money it doesn't prohibit them from getting involved in building a Sammio....
If you want a Cobra or similar , there is no alternative , the nice shiny kit will always be a major expense.
You have £100 invested so far and that has been recouped via parts sales , I believe , so you are starting a car build with most of your major mechanical components sat in front of you for virtually nothing !!
Not many cars that you can start on that basis !
plus points are that your time is mostly free and if a builder doesn't have much money it doesn't prohibit them from getting involved in building a Sammio....
If you want a Cobra or similar , there is no alternative , the nice shiny kit will always be a major expense.
You have £100 invested so far and that has been recouped via parts sales , I believe , so you are starting a car build with most of your major mechanical components sat in front of you for virtually nothing !!
Not many cars that you can start on that basis !
29 Jan 2012, 7:30pm
Yeah but wait until I explain the hot V8 and full drive train as a replacement for the current 3 litre Essex and overdrive to the wife!!!
If I get the steering column sorted I should get the body off and chassis cleaned up a bit during the next week. I am busy for the next couple of weekends but the current plan is to get it down to you by the second half of Feb for the fitting stuff we talked about.
Just need to see whether I can face the welding needed or do I bring extra donuts and ask you ;-)
If I get the steering column sorted I should get the body off and chassis cleaned up a bit during the next week. I am busy for the next couple of weekends but the current plan is to get it down to you by the second half of Feb for the fitting stuff we talked about.
Just need to see whether I can face the welding needed or do I bring extra donuts and ask you ;-)
30 Jan 2012, 2:20pm
Just nipped out in my lunch hour with a bigger hammer and the steering wheel is now out and the body standing clear. I just need a couple of mates to lift off the shell and put it down nicely. There is a limit to what I can do on my own.
Health and Saftey people may want to look away.
Health and Saftey people may want to look away.
30 Jan 2012, 3:28pm
looks perfectly secure to me
30 Jan 2012, 3:40pm
WCA, keep it tidy!
You don't want to upset the owners of that stateley home, just behind the car...
You don't want to upset the owners of that stateley home, just behind the car...
30 Jan 2012, 7:20pm
That's nothing
We did it the hard way we took the body (whole) off and then cut it up. Strapped it to a 1 tonne chain hoist connected to the garage roof trusses and hoisted it.
In my defence I had no idea we was going to build a Sammio at the time.
The floor pan can be lifted with two so that's not to bad, but a major problem if you are only one!
We did it the hard way we took the body (whole) off and then cut it up. Strapped it to a 1 tonne chain hoist connected to the garage roof trusses and hoisted it.
In my defence I had no idea we was going to build a Sammio at the time.
The floor pan can be lifted with two so that's not to bad, but a major problem if you are only one!
31 Jan 2012, 10:10am
Before 
After
After
9 Feb 2012, 12:20pm
Haven't updated this thread for a while so here goes.
Body off - tick
Chassis part cleaned of rust - tick
Chassis welded - Trying to persuade a friends dad that he needs to have a go
Chassis rust proofed - Started on the good metal at the back, lack of welding (and cold) stopped play
Chassis in the garage - tick. Hopefully will be warmer
Wheels cleaned and painted - Tick. Mainly cosmetic but makes it look less of a wreck and I needed to take the wheels off to clean up the rear of the chassis.
New suspension bushings ordered - Tick. Well the request for a quote went to Graham Walker Ltd.
Scimitar SE5 parts manual found - Tick. Well copied of the Graham Walker site. Anyone else want a copy showing exploded diagrams of all the parts and listing their part numbers?
Well from some angles it looks like the car is almost ready
From other angles it still looks a long way from ready
If I can get the welding done soon I will be off to Poole with it to let Gary sort out the extra framework and the body. If I can't then I might take it down anyway and get Gary to do the welding.
https://sites.google.com/site/g46wca/2012-02-05
Body off - tick
Chassis part cleaned of rust - tick
Chassis welded - Trying to persuade a friends dad that he needs to have a go
Chassis rust proofed - Started on the good metal at the back, lack of welding (and cold) stopped play
Chassis in the garage - tick. Hopefully will be warmer
Wheels cleaned and painted - Tick. Mainly cosmetic but makes it look less of a wreck and I needed to take the wheels off to clean up the rear of the chassis.
New suspension bushings ordered - Tick. Well the request for a quote went to Graham Walker Ltd.
Scimitar SE5 parts manual found - Tick. Well copied of the Graham Walker site. Anyone else want a copy showing exploded diagrams of all the parts and listing their part numbers?
Well from some angles it looks like the car is almost ready
From other angles it still looks a long way from ready
If I can get the welding done soon I will be off to Poole with it to let Gary sort out the extra framework and the body. If I can't then I might take it down anyway and get Gary to do the welding.
https://sites.google.com/site/g46wca/2012-02-05