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a day of mixed emotions..

9 Jan 2008, 12:41am
I'd love to get the car back soon, but my work pressures won't allow it. There are only 2 examiners at the Taunton SVA centre, and my car's examiner did seem genuinely intrigued by the car (never seen one before), so as long as I get it back within the next month (which I hope to do), I'd like to think there will be no problems.

The tester did say he'd only check the faults he spotted at the time of the test... which didn't include the cracked windscreen!

Thanks for the heads up.
9 Jan 2008, 7:55am
4 wheel alighment is hopefully one thing I will be doing soon. Friend has a 4 wheel alighnment kit using the string method. Only by eye and toe in gauge at present as I need a flat floor!

Going to be doing the same settings as big Rich.

145mm ride height.
Front. -3/4 degree camber. 1/4 - 1/2mm Toe out.
Rear -1/2 degree camber. 2 mm Toe in.
9 Jan 2008, 8:18am
kenmorton wrote:
Just a quick comment on SVA, I would try to get a retest sorted as soon as and ask for the same examiner that way the car will still be fresh in his mind. In my case I got my retest within a week and the same examiner - he only checked the things on the fail sheet had been rectified.


alackofspeed wrote:
I'd love to get the car back soon, but my work pressures won't allow it. There are only 2 examiners at the Taunton SVA centre, and my car's examiner did seem genuinely intrigued by the car (never seen one before), so as long as I get it back within the next month (which I hope to do), I'd like to think there will be no problems.

The tester did say he'd only check the faults he spotted at the time of the test... which didn't include the cracked windscreen!

Thanks for the heads up.


Same for me in Southampton, retest by the same guy but I left it a few weeks just to be sure I had enough time to sort everything. I left booking the retest until I was happy with the car. Got an appointment only a week or so later. He only checked items that failed first time which too about 15mins.

BTW I'm surprise they let you take pictures during the test, they nearly took my camera off me when I wanted to!
9 Jan 2008, 1:33pm
I dunno if I simply wasn't spotted taking pictures, or if the chap didn't really care.

My concern is my windscreen is cracked, but as it wasn't spotted first time around will it fail the retest if spotted....? No point messing about - I'll just call and find out.

Fitting a new screen is a [insert expletive of choice...] compared to the failure points!
9 Jan 2008, 7:36pm
Would have thought the SVA wouldn't have cared less about the windscreen being cracked. From what I can see in the SVA manual they are more concerned that its of the correct standard e.g. how it operates if cracked rather than if its cracked thats more an MOT issue. However best to check especially as some SVA inspectors seem to be a law unto themselves.

Guess my SVA centre will be Norwich when I get to that stage... Doubt they will have seen a 5exi before either.
9 Jan 2008, 8:22pm
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Guess my SVA centre will be Norwich when I get to that stage... Doubt they will have seen a 5exi before either.[/QUOTE]

Do they have cars in Norwich?
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9 Jan 2008, 11:47pm
limpabit wrote:
4 wheel alighment is hopefully one thing I will be doing soon. Friend has a 4 wheel alighnment kit using the string method. Only by eye and toe in gauge at present as I need a flat floor!

Going to be doing the same settings as big Rich.

145mm ride height.
Front. -3/4 camber. 1/4 - 1/2 Toe out.
Rear -1/2 camber. 2 mm Toe in.



What are your camber (front and rear), and front toe units? Also, when you're measuring the X mm toe, from what edges of the wheel? I ask, as if you're measuring from a rim edge, then different diameter wheels will yeild a different toe value.

I'm using 15" wheels, and my angles are presently:

Front: 0 deg 40' camber, 0 deg 10' toe out
Rear: 1 deg 40' camber, 0 deg 20' toe in

It's interesting that Rich ran more front camber than the rear - that's not usually the case with RWD cars in my experience.
10 Jan 2008, 6:42am
alackofspeed wrote:
What are your camber (front and rear), and front toe units? Also, when you're measuring the X mm toe, from what edges of the wheel? I ask, as if you're measuring from a rim edge, then different diameter wheels will yeild a different toe value.

I'm using 15" wheels, and my angles are presently:

Front: 0 deg 40' camber, 0 deg 10' toe out
Rear: 1 deg 40' camber, 0 deg 20' toe in

It's interesting that Rich ran more front camber than the rear - that's not usually the car with RWD cards in my experience.


I think it's a bit of sucking and seeing. I'm using 15" wheels as well. May have different handing due to Rich having a much lighter engine?? Does this matter???

Rich may have said 1/2 -3/4 at the front. So It is my that has mistaken the readings from Rich. I'll set the fronts at 3/4 and rears at 1 degree and see how the car feels.

Waiting for a clear dry day to get the car down to mates workshop to get the equipment on it to line up correctly. Well when I say correctly. To the figures above. Which may or may not be correct for my car.:)
10 Jan 2008, 9:56pm
Hi Guys,

Changed my settings a bit since I posted . Currently running:-

Front - toe out by approx 0.5mm. 1/4 deg neg camber.

Rear - toe in by approx 1mm each side, 1/2 deg neg camber


These seem to be OK...front toe out slightly helps any wandering on the road. Front camber setting is with no pass / driver...when 2 up this figure is a fair bit nmore (not measured it) but visualy as the suspension is lower, the camber alters accordingly.

As for the rear.....yes I too have experienced the "whoooooo...what was that" moment. Tends to be on throttle back / coasting at speeds over 80 (on track of course). Initially this did seem worse with less toe in at the rear...running 1mm each side helped the feel and I'm contemplating going upto about 1.5mm each side to see if this helps further. That said, I still need to fiddle with the track control arms front and rear to get the bumpsteer sorted.

Rich
11 Jan 2008, 12:38pm
ah cock - earliest retest is 28th Jan!
11 Jan 2008, 3:39pm
bigrich wrote:

That said, I still need to fiddle with the track control arms front and rear to get the bumpsteer sorted.


What rear end do you have Rich? Is it the same as what is in the pictures when you were building it??

alackofspeed wrote:
ah cock


I really must see what the definition is in my book of technical words & phrases:tongue1:
11 Jan 2008, 4:57pm
Jon,

Phase 1 back end as in my build pics. Planned to use spacers and longer securing bolts on the inner chassis end of the track control arm to build up / build down the pivot point and hence reduce b/steer.

Rich
15 Jan 2008, 10:53pm
alackofspeed wrote:
Craig, while I remember - the Elise seats are fine, but the part of the car they mount to, needs to be welded in place, and really obviously substantial. You must also use the OEM seat frame mounts, and not cut and shut them. I don't know how you've done yours, so thought I'd give you a heads up.



John, mine are not welded as they are not welded in the elise/exige, but did you mean the actual car frame?? I think you added extra tubes? I managed to get mine on the actual chassis!

My seat subframes are cut and shut but think they will be fine as they look oem, the bottom of the seat was originally lower than the subframe

Craig
15 Jan 2008, 11:11pm
Yes, I have longitudinal box section welded to the chassis, fitted with captive nuts.

I suspect if they look OEM, then you won't get any issue - I told my inspector I'd fitted my seats as Lotus intended, and he took my word for it (it is a true statement though).

I just thought I'd give you a heads up, so that you can avoid failing on a simple aspect of the build.

If the seat bolts through the chassis, make sure the bolts don't act to compress the box section when being tightened.