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Mister Towed's Bugless Outlaw Speedster build

13 Sep 2022, 8:01am
Mr T – Belated congratulations on your ‘Light Bulb’ moment. :cool:

Obviously, I started having flashback nightmares of the rusty tub I butchered for my own build. :eek:



I’m sure you’ve already spotted the box section in the boot area is not standard Spitfire.

The good news is that it makes no difference to what you need it for.

This approach should also make fitting the pedals an easier process.

When are you going to be in Goodwood?

As I’ve just been offered a ticket for Friday (via work), so I might see you there.

Good luck, Paul. :)

PS
Where is the build thread for the Old No.7 A6 GCS Coupe?
13 Sep 2022, 5:24pm
Hi Paul, yes I'd noticed that my boot floor had been replaced with some square steel tube, good news really as it's been welded together really securely and pretty much matches what I made myself.

It's good to see a picture of your 'Moon Rover' as it's given me a few ideas. Did you do away with the outer sills completely? It looks like you just have a steel box section tube where the curved sill should be. Cutting mine out and welding in something similar to what you have would make it much easier to mount the body.

I will be going with Triumph pedals - one of my reasons for having to rethink the floors/bulkheads was that my floor mounted pedal box was going to be too close to the driver to use due to the length of the master cylinders. They do pedal boxes with them facing the other way but they're much more expensive and harder to install.

I'm at Goodwood on Friday and Saturday and it'd be great to catch up. Do you still have my number? If not, let me know and I'll pm it to you. I'm afraid I lost yours when I threw my phone onto a concrete floor at a car show - it wasn't in a fit of pique, it slipped as I took it out of my pocket to take a picture and in trying to catch it I ended up propelling it into the concrete like it had come out of one of those Spanish Pelota ball scoop things.

Old No.7 A6GCS doesn't have much presence on the forum or otherwise online but they do seem to be selling a few, particularly overseas. Most of what there is is on facebook, but it takes some searching - https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=2488463538135651&set=pcb.2488463654802306

Anyway, hopefully see you at Goodwood :)
13 Sep 2022, 5:48pm
Okay Paul, I just checked through your build thread, and I see you did away with the Spitfire floors completely and used the Cordite frame instead. Still given me some good ideas, though :)
13 Sep 2022, 8:12pm
Mr T - I was just about to dig out some photos to show my whole Frankenstein approach.

But, given your build skills, I see no problem with replacing the original sills with some box section.

As you know, my car can be described as 'solid'. :wink:

I've got your number, so will ping you a text in the morning.

I'm still not 100% sure how my day is supposed to go, but hope to see you on Friday.

Cheers, Paul. :)
14 Jun 2024, 6:54pm
Anyone heard from Mr Towed? It’s been quiet on this thread for a looooong time!
14 Jun 2024, 8:33pm
No, no posting from Mr.Towed for a long time. I miss his posts and comments, and I hope he didn't decide to leave this forum.
23 Jun 2024, 10:38am
I was more thinking / asking whether anyone had any contact with him outside of the forum, and whether he was all right / had to pause the project etc. unusual for someone who is / was a serious enthusiast to just disappear after being a prolific poster for such a long time….
26 Jun 2024, 10:26pm
I truly hope he's ok and I also hope he will soon post an update on his build, or a comment, which would be great...
27 Jun 2024, 2:56pm
All - I heard from Mister Towed when I was at the Goodwood Breakfast Club back in July last year and then again, when he was at the Revival in September 2023. Sounded like other stuff was getting in the way of his various car projects.
10 Feb 2025, 10:15am
Anyone come across Mr Towed recently?
30 Apr 2025, 1:19pm
Biggles;n156628 wrote:
Anyone come across Mr Towed recently?


Hi Biggles and anyone else who's reading, sorry for my disappearance from the site, I've been so busy with projects since I retired I haven't had a moment to myself, but normal service will be resumed soon.

Like the changes to the forum, by the way, it's very glossy.
1 May 2025, 11:36am
MISTER TOWED!!! Glad you're back, it's been a while :). Looking forward to reading your future posts. Cheers, D.
12 May 2025, 1:56pm
Welcome back!! Looking fwd to an update…!
21 Jun 2025, 6:59pm
Just checking I still know how to paste images...

21 Jun 2025, 8:06pm
As I was saying...

Now that I've finished a few projects, like restoring my MG Midget twice, then selling it once I was happy it was as good as it was ever going to be, and doing the same with an early R53 (BMW) supercharged Mini Cooper S, I now have the space, time and money to finally get on and finish my bonkers Triumph Spitfire based Outlaw 356 Speedster!

So, it's been sitting under a tarpaulin on my drive for about four years, and apart from everything rubber having perished, the chassis has faired pretty well. It only needed a good clean, a lick of paint and replacement of the perished items and it's as good as new. Obviously the fibreglass body didn't suffer from its slumber, while the Spitfire body, well, what's left of it, hasn't got any worse, thankfully. Here's some pics of the body and chassis (I'm afraid they're a bit big as I'd forgotten what size they needed editing to):





You may notice that the chassis doesn't currently have an engine fitted, as I've dismantled and inspected it. As you may recall, it was a second hand engine that I bought when I decided that the Ford Puma engine and Mazda RX8 gearbox combination might be a bit ambitious, and all I'd done to it was replace the head with a big valve one from a Spitfire mk IV and have the camshaft reground to Piper 270 spec. I ran the engine up to break in the camshaft about four years ago, but it hasn't been run since. Now I have a bit more time and money on my hands, I decided that rather than risk running with a used engine, I'd strip it, inspect everything thoroughly and replace all the bearings and anything else that was at all worn.

The good news is that the end float was at the low end of its recommended tolerance, while the crank is in perfect condition, with its main and big end bearings just beginning to show a little colour through their coatings, so ready for replacement.

The not so good news is that when I ran a spare piston ring up and down the bores and checked the ring gap (I don't have a bore gauge), the gap varied enormously as the ring moved up and down each bore, so a rebore and new pistons are required.

After getting quotes in from a few different machine shops, I dropped my engine block, crank, flywheel,, clutch, cylinder head and a set of +.060" pistons off at Ivor Searle Engine Services, who just happen to be about half an hour away from me in Soham near Ely.

Rather than just a rebore, I decided to go a few steps further and they will also be soaking the block in an acid bath to clear the crap out of all the coolant galleries, skimming five thou of the block, twenty-five thou off the cylinder head, shaving around 2kg from the flywheel and balancing the crank, rods, pistons, flywheel and clutch.

That should give me an engine that will spin up nicely and rev smoothly to the red line without losing its cool, while delivering a little more power and torque and better fuel economy into the bargain. The fuel economy should also be helped somewhat by another modification that's being driven by two factors: one - my wife can't stand the smell of petrol that goes with driving every classic car I've ever owned, even when they were new cars, and two - the front carburettor dashpot fouls the inside of the bonnet, so I had planned to cut a hole for it and hide the protruding dashpot under a fake fuel cap. Now I could solve point one above by finding a new wife, but I rather like the one I have and divorce costs too much anyway, so I needed to think of another solution, as I also rather like her accompanying me on my classic travels. The idea I had to hide the dashpot with a fuel filler has also gone out of the window, because it would be offset and I saw these racing Porsches with Fletcher Aviation advertising on their bonnets that only really works with a centre filler cap, and I really want to copy that look:



After a little bit of head scratching, I decided to solve both issues with Electronic Fuel Injection!

Now, I've been buying bits and pieces in for a while, and now that the engine's away I've made a start on putting some components together that weren't designed to be compatible. What I've decided to use for this job is marry up a Spitfire 1500 inlet manifold that's intended for 1&1/2" SU carburettors to a pair of injection throttle bodies from a Triumph triple motorcycle:





As you can see, the inlets on the manifold are 40mm and circular, while the outlets on the throttle bodies are a sort of flat oval that's approximately 43mm wide by 36mm tall. The good news is that the actual size of the two openings is almost identical - if you were to stretch the bike outlet out into a circle it would be about 40mm while the inlet manifold hole is 39.5mm, so they're perfectly compatible - while the throttle bodies, in addition to having a lower profile than the 1&1/4" SU's I had fitted, are also angled downwards a fair bit so will give me even more clearance.

So, today I've started work on the adaptor plates I'll need to connect the throttle bodies to the Spitfire inlet manifold.

Starting with a 200x100x25mm slab of aluminium, I marked up the limits of the openings on each side, then drilled out the area that was common to both:





Then, a great deal of sweaty effort with a selection of hand tools and a Dremel to smooth out the file marks, I have the beginnings of my adaptor plates:







It might not look like much, but with a little more smoothing to aid the air flow and some securing studs, it looks like it's going to work.

Oh, and the selection of 25mm thick alloy might seem a bit of overkill, but it was specifically chosen to solve an issue where one of the inlet manifold stud holes will overlap slightly with another on one of the throttle bodies. With a 25mm adaptor, I can put a stud on each side with half an inch of thread in the adaptor and it's problem solved! Hope that makes sense.

Anyway, it's nice to be back on the forum and I'll make sure my images are the right size from now on.
21 Jun 2025, 10:57pm
I'm still here too, several projects later !!
22 Jun 2025, 6:05am
Lucky@LeMans;n177611 wrote:
I'm still here too, several projects later !!


Hi Lucky, nice to hear that you're still around too.

As for your projects, at risk of going all Grease on you, tell me more, tell me more...
22 Jun 2025, 1:43pm
My current project has six bike carbs on a bespoke manifold for a Triumph 2500 engine. Yes it runs, but I'm converting it back to twin SU's for simplicity and known requirements of the engine !
22 Jun 2025, 5:34pm
Ooh, shame about having to go back to SU's. Phil J put six bike carbs on his green Sammio back in the day. They were a pig to set up as I recall, but made lots of power - more than 180bhp from a 2500 fitted with a TR5 camshaft.

With the modifications to my Herald 13/60 motor I'm hoping for something like 85 to 90bhp, which will be plenty enough for a car that should come in at around 600kg's.

Oh, and on that note, when I wrote the advert to sell my Midget recently, I discovered something interesting about it: at 720kg's it actually weighs less than the battery in a Tesla model Y, which tips the scales at 771kg's. And just how exactly is putting three quarters of a ton of rare earth metals and minerals into every car going to save the planet?
22 Jun 2025, 7:14pm
The engine is currently in a Marlin, another Formosa 236 donor option. The previous owner did the bike carb conversion along with an electronic wifi distributor. It has a cam in it too. Just it doesn't run right and he gave up trying. I could probably sell on the carbs, manifold and distributor and it will go along way to the body conversion swop costs. I've got a standard manifold, just need a pair of 1 3/4" carbs and a basic electronic dizy and it will run. I think the stock numbers for a 2500 is around 105bhp which is plenty and they sound right in a Formosa. The bike carbs just make an induction roar as loud as the exhaust and its not nice !
24 Jun 2025, 6:14am
As I recall, Phil J had some issues getting the bike carbs running cleanly too. He eventually solved the problem by altering the manifold to angle the carbs upwards, raising their inlets in relation to the cylinder head, which left them running perfectly but required a very large blister in the bonnet to accommodate them. The result was a Sammio that could knock on the door of 140mph (3:63 diff and overdrive), but went everywhere sideways.

On my Sammio (Mk1 Vitesse motor) I replaced the original 1.5" Strombergs with 1.75" Strombergs and a 308778 camshaft from a Mk2 Vitesse/136hp 2500 PI in the search for a bit more oomph. The power gain was negligible, but those modifications had the unexpected benefit of improving fuel economy from around 24mpg to over 30. Not sure why, but maybe my original carbs were worn out.

You are right, though, 105bhp is plenty in a lightweight car and it's more about the sound and the emotion than the speed in these crazy projects we build. Having driven high performance cars at serious speed in the Po-Po, I firmly believe that there's more fun to be had on the public road driving a car with 60hp at ten tenths than one with 600hp at three tenths, which you'd have to do to avoid losing your licence.

So, is your plan to use the Marlin as a donor for a Formosa? Always liked the Marlin myself, although I found the cockpit a bit narrow when I tried one back in the day.
27 Jun 2025, 6:54am
Welcome back Mr T. :cool:

My avatar is a 955cc, three cylinder, fuel injected, Triumph motorcycle.

Good luck with the fuel injection conversion, my local Triumph garage charges £5k + VAT for that job!

https://www.enginuity.co.uk/other-services/

Is the white body shell in the garage for this project or another?

Looking forward to more updates, cheers, Paul. :)
27 Jun 2025, 11:19am
Good to see some of the old gang still at it!
30 Jun 2025, 7:31am
Hi Paul and Biggles, nice to see you're both still about too.

My budget for the EFI conversion is realistically around the £1,500 mark, while the engine machining adds a little over £800, and new pistons shells seals, etc. came in at only about £250, so I'm expecting the effectively new fuel injected motor to come in at under £3k all in. There's a recent episode of Wheeler Dealers where they makeover and EFI a Peugeot 205 1400 Rallye, taking it from 70hp to 130, and their budget for the EFI parts and dyno time was listed as only being about £800, but I can't see how they did it for that little, to be honest. Worth a watch, that episode.

I wondered if anyone would notice the white body shell in the background, but I'm not surprised you did, and, yes, it's my next project. It's an A6 body from Old No. 7, which is in the style of the Maserati A6 GCS coupe, but I'll be building mine as a Lancia D20 Berlinetta as the A6 GCS and D20 were pretty much the same Pininfarina design. The D20's were really successful in 1952 with one winning the Targa Florio, but the cockpits got so hot that their drivers suffered heat exhaustion, so Lancia cut the roofs off them all and they became the D23 and D24 Spyders for the '53 and '54 seasons. That's going on a spare Mk2 Vitesse chassis I happen to have lying around, and it'll be running the Vitesse's 2 litre engine on TR6 throttle bodies with EFI and will also boast A/C for those hot but wet late summer drives.

I'll post some pictures of progress on the speedster later as I've now made a few more changes to the sub-structure after much staring at it with hands on hips.