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Latest progress on the Gooster

25 Jan 2010, 8:16pm
yes, great idea making the extensions vertical and putting the reflectors on them, should pass IVA wheel arch and reflector requirements no probs!
Tim
31 Jan 2010, 9:28pm
It's been a busy weekend, getting high on glue fumes and finally fitting carpet and rubber matting:





That's another job ticked off. :D

I've left the door seal over-long near the dash, as I'm not sure how to finish it off - either cut it off level with the end of the sheet metal, bend it up and cut it off after it's gone round the corner or cut it off short and not bother extending it along the top most edge of the door. Suggestions?
31 Jan 2010, 10:03pm
Jason,
That is all looking superb, well done! :cool:

On your last question, I managed to persaude mine to go round the last corner and I think I then glued it in position.



Looks better in real life as the flash in this picture has accentuated all the different 'blacks'.
(This picture was hiding in my 'Seats and Seatbelts' set for some unknown reason.)
31 Jan 2010, 10:12pm
Thanks Peter - My back is aching like hell, and I can't feel the tips of my fingers (makes typing interesting :)) - But I'm very happy with how it's turned out.

I've got oodles of carpet left! :lol:
1 Feb 2010, 8:57am
Pete - how long are your door check straps? I've got some staples and some black nylon webbing that I'm going to use (which will get covered in the red leather cloth), but I'm not sure how long to make them.

Also - does anyone have any handy hints on making gearstick gaitors? The one I got from the seat place was useless - too big / tall, and the hole that the stick passes through was off centre. I tried cutting it to make it fit, and fudged it up completely.
1 Feb 2010, 10:43pm
GreatOldOne wrote:
Pete - how long are your door check straps? I've got some staples and some black nylon webbing that I'm going to use (which will get covered in the red leather cloth), but I'm not sure how long to make them.

.


About 14 cm.
...peter
4 Feb 2010, 12:01am
My friend Rob came round tonight, and we prototyped the low fuel circuit. I now have all the correct values for the components to get a 60 second delay before the lamp lights.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK9cVIQ4zqE

The video shows it in action - the delay has been reduced to about 4 secs for testing purposes. It turns on at about 1/8th of tank, set by a pot that determines the threshold. Another pot simulates the sender - turning it past the threshold, the lamp lights once after the preset delay, and immediately switches off if the the sender input goes above threshold again.

I'll be posting up the completed circuit, and Rob will write a more thorough explanation of how it all works. It looks as if it'll be simple to modify the circuit for any sender / meter combination as well, simply by changing the values of some resistors on the input stage of the circuit.

Next step - build it for real. :)
4 Feb 2010, 11:33am
GreatOldOne wrote:
My friend Rob came round tonight, and we prototyped the low fuel circuit. I now have all the correct values for the components to get a 60 second delay before the lamp lights.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK9cVIQ4zqE

The video shows it in action - the delay has been reduced to about 4 secs for testing purposes. It turns on at about 1/8th of tank, set by a pot that determines the threshold. Another pot simulates the sender - turning it past the threshold, the lamp lights once after the preset delay, and immediately switches off if the the sender input goes above threshold again.

I'll be posting up the completed circuit, and Rob will write a more thorough explanation of how it all works. It looks as if it'll be simple to modify the circuit for any sender / meter combination as well, simply by changing the values of some resistors on the input stage of the circuit.

Next step - build it for real. :)


Are all those wires needed?!
4 Feb 2010, 11:45am
On the breadboard - Yes. It gets very messy, very quickly!

Once it's on veroboard it'll be a lot neater. Honest. :)
11 Feb 2010, 1:14pm
I completed the veroboard version last night, but I've yet to test it. Pauline took offence at the fact I was still soldering gone midnight... ;)

I'll give it a spin later on when I get in from work
11 Feb 2010, 11:24pm
Well, I'd like to report success, but can't. Bah. :(

I've checked and triple checked everything on the board, but it only seems as if the first stage of the circuit is working (the first comparator). At and above the set threshold, I get a solid 9v on pin 1. On the second stage I get 8ish volts on pin 6 and milivolts on pin 5, resulting on nothing on pin 7. Nothing on 7 means no transistor switching the light on...

Can someone do a sanity check on this for me? Rob's off on holiday in austria now, so he's more interested in skiing than debugging a circuit via SMS. ;)

Finalised circuit, which I know works from the prototype:

http://www.greatoldone.co.uk/SportsterPics2/LowFuelWarningR1.4.bmp

Veroboard layout:

http://www.greatoldone.co.uk/SportsterPics2/lowfuellayout.gif

Track brakes are denoted by the red squares. Ignore the markings on the transistor in the board layout - i've labeled the pins the wrong way round, but they are correct on the real thing.

Thanks,

Jason
12 Feb 2010, 9:04am
Jason, spent a few minutes looking at the laysout and can't see anything wrong.

Whats the voltages between R7 and D3, also D3 and R9 in both 'on' and 'off' states?

Just a thought have you put D3 in the right way round?
12 Feb 2010, 9:19am
I believe I have - but I'm begining to wonder if it's duff.

I'll have to measure the voltages again this afternoon.
12 Feb 2010, 9:28am
First thing to check on an PCB when it doesn't work are:

1. Dry joints? (How's your soldering Jason ;-) )
2. That the tracks are actually broken where they are supposed to be. If you just used a hobby knife it's easy to leave a small piece of copper in place.
3. Any accidental solder bridges

Robin
12 Feb 2010, 9:42am
My soldering is OK thank you. Much better now I have an iron that actually works.

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=219133

;)

All breaks have been done with a track cutter, and they look clean under a magnifying glass.

Solder bridges - it looks clean.... I did run a soldering 'pick' down the gaps between tracks and didn't meet anything but I'll double check.
12 Feb 2010, 12:18pm
GreatOldOne wrote:
My soldering is OK thank you. Much better now I have an iron that actually works.

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=219133

;)

All breaks have been done with a track cutter, and they look clean under a magnifying glass.

Solder bridges - it looks clean.... I did run a soldering 'pick' down the gaps between tracks and didn't meet anything but I'll double check.


Ok - that's the obvious out of the way. It can now only be either a layout error or component failure. Components are pretty robust nowadays so I would double check the layout first.

Robin
12 Feb 2010, 4:03pm
Chris Cussen wrote:
Jason, spent a few minutes looking at the laysout and can't see anything wrong.

Whats the voltages between R7 and D3, also D3 and R9 in both 'on' and 'off' states?

Just a thought have you put D3 in the right way round?


I have replaced D3, no change. Have changed orientation (from R7 to cathode to R7 to anode) no change... so put it back again

D3 -> R9 8.8V 'on', millivolts off

R7 -> D3 8.8v on, millivolts off
12 Feb 2010, 4:42pm
Never mind, got it working now - when we did the vero-layout we missed a track break. I just discovered that there should be one row D, column 23. D3 was connected to R13 and the base of the transistor, which wasn't right at all! :)

Broke the track there, and lo and behold it all works. Yay! :thumb:

Now to revise the diagram...
16 Feb 2010, 11:13pm
A busy evening! :)

All those pesky, sharp bolts covered up at the front:





Low fuel light mounted and wired in:



Momo hub trial fit:




Robin may have his bling steering wheel, but I have bling pedals:



:D
17 Feb 2010, 8:42am
Jason

You will probably/possibly need to cover the lower spring plates. Mine failed on this. I used a universal U/J boot cut down. Also be carefull with the large lock nuts on the upper suspension arm. Mine failed even though they were covered. In the end I had to knock off the corners with a file before covering them with shrink. Spanner still fits!

Robin
17 Feb 2010, 8:51am
Thanks for the tips - I'll see if I can pick up some UJ boots. Any particular size?
17 Feb 2010, 10:34am
GreatOldOne wrote:
Thanks for the tips - I'll see if I can pick up some UJ boots. Any particular size?


I got mine from the local motor factor. They were only about a fiver as I remember (far cheaper than a re-test) It seemed to be one size fits all. They are made of some very strange rubber with elastic properties so you can stretch them to fit any UJ (Or Marlin spring).

You need to cover the sharp edge of the spring plate that faces down which is just about contactable by the test sphere if you have a zealous tester....

Robin
17 Feb 2010, 1:24pm
Just called my local motor factor - he has some in, so I'll be picking a pair up on the way home from work. :)
17 Feb 2010, 2:10pm
When fitting the flexible UJ boots (not that you are, but I used them to replace the boots on the driveshafts of the Cabrio) you turn them inside out and slide them over a very large greased cone.

It makes your eyes water just to think about it. :icon_cry: