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Formosa 120 gr build

21 Nov 2018, 11:32am
Alex wrote:
Thanks for all the replies guys, plenty to ponder, don,t want to break a lap record just a bit of extra top end.the engine is a 1968 mk2 so possibly the TR5 cam and strombergs would be the easiest.Think I will get it on a rolling road and see what the restriction is and go from there


I would go with injection for a steady performance.
21 Nov 2018, 6:29pm
RayHutch wrote:
Watching this with interest - hopefully getting mine on the road in 4 to 6 weeks and may be afflicted with a dose of upgrade-itus ;-))


Hi Ray, good to hear the car is coming along well, getting close now
22 Nov 2018, 9:52pm
Received a couple of photos today from Castle Combe that they took during the summer action festival
23 Nov 2018, 9:09am
Very cool indeed. :cool:

28 Nov 2018, 9:35am
Cool dude !
29 Nov 2018, 9:40pm
That looks fricken cool. The side on shot shows the lines well.

Nice !
8 Feb 2019, 5:51pm
lots of talk at the moment as to the value of the Formosa so I have had mine independently valued by Classic Line for insurance purposes and very happy with it, this is an agreed value should it get written off
8 Feb 2019, 7:27pm
Knowing the work that went in to your car Alex and the high standard of the underpinnings I actually think that is a fair representation of the value.
8 Feb 2019, 11:30pm
May upset the guy that commented on gr120’s Facebook page

Reckons Gary’s blue survivor car is priced about 5 times too much ... there’s some twats about
9 Feb 2019, 7:26am
Must be quite comforting to have that document should the worst happen to the car, and it's a fair valuation for a car that just looks that good.

There do still seem to be a lot of armchair 'experts' about in internet land who think they could buy a perfect condition donor for a pony, a body kit for half a monkey and have a finished car on the road for less than a bag 'o' sand.

Well, I'm afraid they're just a bunch of merchant bankers as interest in classic cars is increasing day by day, the supply of good, original cars at affordable prices is dwindling and the prices of both classic cars and their component parts are pretty much doubling every twelve months.

Anyway, will have to make the effort to attend a show or event that you're taking your car to this year, Alex, as I'd love to see it in the flesh. :)
9 Feb 2019, 11:25am
I think that is a fair valuation for Alex's car, maybe a bit undervalued. It does however in my mind value the "survivor" at about a third of that price. You need to add the cost of bring ing the body up to the same standard and painting as well as all the interior.
9 Feb 2019, 11:45am
COMFORTING NEWS ALEX ...

YOU ARE RIGHT TVR , the Survivor wont value up to that amount ..but a third ?
bit harsh ...

I reckon half might be fairer ..if someone offered 15k ..I would take it , I'm not an unrealistic guy ...

ALEX'S PAINT WAS IN THE REGION OF 3.5K and the interior is basically a pair of seats !!


https://youtu.be/Jw1z8gvwyhM
9 Feb 2019, 11:56am
I tend to find that the final 20% of a build is the most expensive. It's all the final finishing details that cost the most.
If you look on eBay, you can still get a running and MOT'd TR6 for less than £15k. Very useable as it has a roof and guaranteed investment.
The problem with cars without any sort of roof is that you must have a garage and even then it would be relegated to a "third" car.
9 Feb 2019, 7:08pm
Jaguartvr wrote:
I tend to find that the final 20% of a build is the most expensive. It's all the final finishing details that cost the most.
If you look on eBay, you can still get a running and MOT'd TR6 for less than £15k. Very useable as it has a roof and guaranteed investment.
The problem with cars without any sort of roof is that you must have a garage and even then it would be relegated to a "third" car.


Normally I'd agree with you but thats not really the case with the " No frills , lots of thrills " Formosa 120GR. Very little expense at the end , more a case of a steady expenditure throughout .. Comparing it to a TR6 is a bit tricky as we all know when it comes to classic cars , valuing based on the sum of parts isnt how it works ...look at Micro car prices for instance compared to say ,a 60's 4 door American car or a 80's Roller etc. Valuing them is really difficult ...after all who'd have thought an old Z3 with some bits of fibreglass glued to it and blown over with a few stickers on it would increase its value 3 or 4 times over book price !! It's a complicated marketplace to deal in and the Formosa's are yet to find their place in it as far as re-sale values go ....
9 Feb 2019, 8:09pm
ALEX'S PAINT WAS IN THE REGION OF 3.5K and the interior is basically a pair of seats !!




Christ that was a cheap paint job,

What muppet did it for that :noidea:
9 Feb 2019, 9:01pm
Jeff H wrote:
ALEX'S PAINT WAS IN THE REGION OF 3.5K and the interior is basically a pair of seats !!




Christ that was a cheap paint job,

What muppet did it for that :noidea:


A very very nice man :bounce:
9 Feb 2019, 11:05pm
Starting with a straight car that needs little more than rubbing down prior to paint has got to be a big bonus. Hours spent re shaping a wonky body in sweaty fibre glass isn't for the faint hearted. The Formosa body looks like a quality moulding with minimal prep time involved and is a credit to the laminators. I would suggest 3.5k is exactly the right money for a quality job !
10 Feb 2019, 12:44pm
Lucky@LeMans wrote:
Starting with a straight car that needs little more than rubbing down prior to paint has got to be a big bonus. Hours spent re shaping a wonky body in sweaty fibre glass isn't for the faint hearted. The Formosa body looks like a quality moulding with minimal prep time involved and is a credit to the laminators. I would suggest 3.5k is exactly the right money for a quality job !





This place does make me laugh at times,

With respect you have no idea at all what prep went in to Alex's car, I wont do another one that cheap but to be fair it was the 1st one out the moulds and we did have trouble getting the doors to fit, from memory we had to drop the lower door shut down on both sides.

The bonnet was also a bit of a faff to get right, all of this has now been resolved by Gary and I am confident to do another would be a lot quicker.

I really don't want to get in to another debate about paint and costings, I do know Gary gets them done a lot cheaper than I would charge but I am not interested in a race to the bottom price wise.




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These pics show some of the work involved on the car, it was primed and blocked twice and of course all that masking you see was also done twice, it was fully masked underneath to keep any over spray off the mint chassis that Alex paid to have done.

Please don't think this is a pop at you because it really isn't it is just frustrating at times that there seem to be so many "internet experts" about regarding this subject.
10 Feb 2019, 1:08pm
Didn't you paint it Jeff? Lol!

*EDIT* You posted just before I hit reply
10 Feb 2019, 2:17pm
I don't imply that I'm an "expert", we all know what one of those is !

All I was saying is that the Formosa body is good out the mould. The fact that a coloured gel coat is offered and would be acceptable to many simply polished up and not painted.

I know you are a perfectionist Jeff and you can see faults where others don't. Your own SWB was a good example, the final finish looked superb to me but you were never happy with it. You are lucky to have the skills to go the next level and achieve such high standards.
10 Feb 2019, 2:24pm
Hey Paul,

I think it was the Minimal prep comment that triggered me lol.

And yes I wont cut corners or work down to a price, my old Man taught me to do it once and do it right.

Your car is looking great by the way, very impressive build.
11 Feb 2019, 12:57pm
Hi as you are all on about painting. can any one give me a good paint suppler for my Formosa I need high build primer and paint.prep and painting and buffing and polishing is not a problem, I am about 6 weeks away from starting thanks Dale
11 Feb 2019, 5:10pm
I use cellulose from Jawel Paints and have had very pleasing results as a total amateur sprayer using very basic equipment -

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Other colours are available...

Jawel recommended giving the fibreglass shell a coat of etch primer before the high-build primer goes on. That's what I did and I had no problems with adhesion or cracking in the four years that I had the car on the road, but I believe a professional sprayer may tell you that the etch primer isn't necessary.

What colour are you going for?
11 Feb 2019, 6:17pm
Thanks for that. I think it is going to be red or blue ?.the last time I painted a car was 22 years ago with 2 pack and still looks good as I still have it. I spent 10 year in the aviation painting aircraft shooting 50 ltr at a time on A 321 so painting and finishing not a problem
11 Feb 2019, 6:37pm
Ahh, a pro then.

One thing I have noticed with fibreglass cars is that a fair number of people who've had their cars sprayed with two-pack have reported cracking on areas that are subject to stress where cellulose would've just flexed with the panel.

Horses for courses I guess.