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Deni's Miglia Build

31 Mar 2017, 8:47pm
Hi Everybody,

My name is Deni. Approx. 2 years ago I've bought Triumph Herald rolling chassis and it included a Spitfire 1500 engine and a single rail 4 gear box as well as a Miglia kit. As you can see, it took a while to get the build going, for all sorts of reasons, but I have now finally started!!!

Just to warn you all, I am probably the least experienced car builder you will ever 'meet', but reading your threads I was inspired and thought I am going to give it a go.

This might be a slow build but I hope to finish the car and will do my best to persevere and muddle through to the end.

I have started only a few weeks ago and had a chance to go to the garage a few times, so you did not miss a lot - mainly cleaning and painting the chassis and other attached bits, which is probably not the most interesting part anyway. I was very lucky to buy, what I think is a rolling chassis in a very good condition, which should make the build a little bit easier hopefully.

I will try to upload some photos to bring us to a current point in the build.

So here we go.....
31 Mar 2017, 10:41pm
It's getting late tonight but I will upload more photos in a next few days.

Cheers,
D
1 Apr 2017, 4:42am
Good luck matey.
1 Apr 2017, 7:29am
Deni - Great to see you have started a build thread. :cool:

It certainly looks like the engine and chassis are in good condition.



deni wrote:
… I am probably the least experienced car builder ...


Oi! I resemble that remark.

:wink:

Jokes aside, if I could get my car on the road, anything is possible.

Good luck, Paul. :)
10 Apr 2017, 2:07pm
More Pics...

Pictures of chassis before cleaning and painting...

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Second hand swing spring I bought...

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10 Apr 2017, 2:09pm
Hi Barber and Paul L - thank you guys for your posts. I will post a few more photos later on and that will bring us to the point in the build where I am now (mainly cleaning and painting the various bits!).

Next time I can work on the car will be Weds and I will make more photos and post them afterwards.

Cheers,
D
10 Apr 2017, 3:27pm
I know that a lot of you replaced suspension bushes at this stage for polyurethane bushes but for now I'm going to keep it simple as these look in decent condition. I'd like to build this car as quickly as possible keeping the costs down, and wait and see how it drives and then keep tinkering on it when it's finished. I have also bought a one inch lowering block but for now, I'll keep the original shock absorbers before I decide about GAZ adjustable shocks.

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Chassis is paint stripped and treated with Kurust (everything except the main middle bit which was in excellent condition) and everything is painted with 3 layers of chassis black.

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Diff casing is also cleaned, treated with Kurust and painted
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10 Apr 2017, 3:36pm
To balance the car handling, the anti-roll bar at the front needed to be upgraded too. I have bought 7/8" Spitfire one and this will replace the original Herald one.

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Cleaned and treated with Kurust.

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Both drum hubs had some cracking on them and were replaced with brand new ones. I have inspected the condition of the rear brakes and it was excellent.

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10 Apr 2017, 3:46pm
Also, bought a second-hand Spitfire petrol tank with sender unit (I hope it works!)

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Stripped and cleaned.

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Treated with Kurust, then painted with red oxide primer (no photo, but it can be seen in the photo of the new brake drums)

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And finally painted with 2 layers of black.
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10 Apr 2017, 3:52pm
Spitfire pedals, stripped, cleaned and treated with Kurust, then painted with 2 layers of grey primer and a top layer of gun metal grey.

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That's how far I've got until now - so now you are up to date...

Cheers,
D :dance:
10 Apr 2017, 7:56pm
Looking forward to seeing the build, any ideas for the interior.
10 Apr 2017, 8:47pm
Promising start ..keep us updated with pics please ...
11 Apr 2017, 6:48pm
Gary - thanks, I will keep uploading the photos. I will have some time tomorrow to work on the car and will make more photos.

Swifty - welcome! I have a rough idea about the interior. I have bought second hand MGB seats and the panels (I'm not going to use the panels but the material they are covered with as the colour matches the seats). The colour is autumn leaf, which I like. They are in the storage at the moment, so I will make a picture later.

I know that the seats could be a bit big, but we shall see...for the rest, I would like to use aluminium panels and rivets to do the paneling inside, and try to do some detailing using the material I've bought, but I still do not have a clear idea. Part of the challenge is to do it as you go I guess.

I've followed your build, and your fabrication skills are amazing, so I guess you can visualise things and just make them, and your car turned out a stunner.
I will just try to learn as I go and we'll see what I come up with.

Cheers,
D
11 Apr 2017, 7:29pm
Hi Deni, I bought a pair of MGB seats to put in my Spyder and they turned out to be too big. You might struggle to get them into your Miglia as the bodies are somewhat similar in size I believe.

The problem is the width when you lower them enough to avoid the dreaded 'Noddy' driving position.

It looked like they'd be fine on first trial fit -



Still looked okay with the floorpan dropped to lower them -



But then you add the frame and, oh dear, they don't fit -



Don't be tempted to fit them above the chassis rails (as in the first pic above), you really won't enjoy the car if your seating position is too high.
It would be very uncomfortable and your head will ruin the aerodynamics.

Ideally you want your eyes to be level with the top of the flyscreen and your shoulders to be just above the edge of the cockpit so you can drop your elbow over the side while you're out cruising.

Anyway, good luck with your build.
12 Apr 2017, 6:30am
If the MGB seats are a no-go consider some out of a Ford Streetka. They are pretty small and can be had for a decent price even in leather.

My daughter has a Ka (don't laugh) and the seats are ok. The rest of the car ..... well......

At least it won't get stolen by joy-riders.

Dave
13 Apr 2017, 8:18am
:attention:If you get some MGB seat covers with the vertical panels, it's easy to remove 1 panel...... this is an ideal width as the seat frame can then be cut and welded 2 1/2 inches (or whatever the panel width is) to get the seats just right!
13 Apr 2017, 12:22pm
Mister Towed - thank you for your detailed reply, much appreciated. I thought that I've read it in your build thread. Hope you're enjoying your freedom and I hope you have made some progress with your new project.

Mitchelkitman - Thank you too. I am glad you have said that, because I was thinking the same and my covers are with vertical panels, so I will try that first.

Dave P - that is a great idea too, thank you. If my plan with MGB seats doesn't work I will check Streetka seats.

Cheers,
D
16 Apr 2017, 8:56pm
Hi everyone,

Had a couple of hours on the car this week. My friend Johnny came over to help me with the gearbox removal. I wanted to inspect the condition of the clutch. So, we marked the prop shaft for later alignment, and removed it.

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We saw that the clutch was nearly new and didn't have to remove the gearbox completely, which was great news.

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Close up of the clutch


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Next job is to clean and paint the gearbox and to continue with the front suspension and the engine.


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Also, installed the swing spring and 1" lowering block. Lowering block was a tight fit and needed a bit of "persuasion" with a rubber hammer, but we managed to insert it on to the diff casing.

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16 Apr 2017, 9:06pm
So, the rear end is now done.

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I have removed old diff casing studs and used two of them, shortened them to make screws and plug two unused holes.


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I have cut grooves in them

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...and screwed them in to plug unused holes


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16 Apr 2017, 9:18pm
New, longer studs were used.

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All went well, but there is one thing I am not sure about so please, if anybody can advise it would be great. I have tightened the screws as tight as it was possible but I still have a small gap between the lowering block and the bottom plate (first two pictures below), even though the bottom leaf of the spring fits quite well in the gap of the lowering block (last photo).


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17 Apr 2017, 7:48am
Nice work. Just a thought, did you loctite the blanking studs in to stop them dropping into the diff casing?

The slight gap between the lowering block and bottom leaf could be to prevent the rest of the leaves in the stack from being clamped in place and allow them to move laterally. As far as I'm aware, the bottom leaf should be fixed to the diff and the rest should be able to slide from side to side -

http://www.canleyclassics.com/technical-archive/swing-springs/

Anyway, keep up the good work.
17 Apr 2017, 9:29am
Mister Towed - Thank you for your reply. I did not use Loctite, so thank you for pointing this out. I've only tightened them as much as I could with mole grips, but now you've mentioned this I think I should use Loctite, as the studs are not held with the nuts above the spring like before. So, next time I'm working on the car I will fix this.

Cheers,
D
17 Apr 2017, 9:40am
Swing Spring

I have another question I hope someone can help me with please. I was reading in a Herald manual that the original spring has the front and the back side, and should be positioned accordingly. I've checked the old spring and I saw the markings. However, I could not see such markings on swing spring. Does a swing spring has front or back side, i.e. the side of the spring that should point towards the engine?

Cheers,
D
17 Apr 2017, 9:41am
Deni - Not sure if the Herald set up is the 100% the same as the Spitfire (although they are obviously very similar).

But there was a hole in my lowering block that needed to be enlarged slightly for the rear spring to locate properly.

More details in this post:
http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46934&postcount=530

Finally, although I did fit a lowering block initially, I eventually removed it as the rear of the car was too low. :rolleyes:

Hope that helps and good luck, Paul. :)