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Old 8th January 2018, 23:51
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Hi Ian,
I stumbled across this site with incredible detail. Dave, a retired engineer,has a blog detailing his project to put an alloy V8 into a Fiero Ferrari F355 replica. The level of engineering and detail, including converting suspension systems is amazing.

https://bloozeown.weebly.com/rear-end/previous/2



converting strut-type suspension to multi-link:


cheers
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Old 16th January 2018, 17:12
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Hi All

One step closer to starting my chassis build. I've just received back from the cnc shop my engine / gearbox adaptor plate. Bit of fettling required for the starter motor and driveshafts to do then hopefully bolt the lot together ready to start on the engine bay.

ian
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Old 18th January 2018, 15:45
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Hi All

Just an update. I've finished machining my adaptor plate so it now fits on to the Toyota MR2 Turbo gearbox. I've also finished fitting it to the V6 crankcase. Hopefully at the weekend weather permitting I'll get the engine crane out and have a go at bolting the gearbox to the engine.

ian
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Old 22nd January 2018, 12:26
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Hi all

Ford cosworth V6 and toyota mr2 turbo box all bolted up. Next up engine mounts and power unit chassis / cradle.

ian
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Old 22nd January 2018, 18:32
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looking good Ian!
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Old 22nd January 2018, 18:49
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Here's a blast from the past - a Prova (Countach) chassis with Renault UN1 box attached to Rover 3.9V8. Sitting at 1200GBP now. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lamborghi...wAAOSws0JaYg1M
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square section wishbone arms! and four stud hubs on a Countach
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Old 25th January 2018, 14:26
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Hi All

With the power unit now built up I've started construction of my chassis. I'm building it in wood first to make sure all is well before I cut any metal!! Basically I've copied the deon chassis dimensions to start with and will adjust it as I go on. I've built it in three bits,front section,middle or cockpit and rear or engine bay.
I'm going to build a flat table and place the chassis on it and start by positioning the engine and then I can work from the engine drive shafts centre line.
Hopefully I'm going to get to measure the 246 shell and original chassis sometime in feb.
Photo 1 and 2 show engine bay frame
Photo 3 is front frame
Photo 4 is the cockpit
The cockpit requires a centre tunnel building in but I need to purchase the 246 tunnel moulding and gearshift moulding to get accurate measurements.

ian
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Old 25th January 2018, 14:37
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Hi

The centre section still requires a centre tunnel building and also cross bracing for the mounting of seats.The two cross pieces of timber and the diagonal piece seen here are spacers and a cross tie bar to keep the frame square.
Also where the front frame fixes there will be another frame to take the dash/steering mount and door hinges, but I'll leave this until the shell is on.
Front and rear crash structures will be designed to support the front of the car and mount the front rad and bumpers,the rear being used to support the boot floor and rear bumpers. My plan was to have these bolt on.
I intend to have 75 x40mm and 40x40mm box section steel tube.

ian
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Old 25th February 2018, 13:54
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Can you share the Deon chassis info you are building off of? I'm in the states and looking to get started on a chassis. Looking for a good starting point. I will be using a Ford Duratec V6.
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Old 13th March 2018, 16:30
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Hi,
I have a Deon and I want to implement on it a Ford 2,5l V6 Duratec. If someone can help me.... Thanks
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Old 14th March 2018, 11:12
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Hi

What deon do you have? Is it the one with the lancia engine that takes the whole engine/gearbox and subframe? The later one where it bolts in? Or the ford 2.9 v6 option?
Either way you'll need to drop the engine (lancia) or remove through the top (ford engine ) and offer up your new power unit. You'll need to fabricate new engine/gearbox mounts and position the who unit so the drive line stays where is it now-height and position front back.
You'll need a new exhaust system,water and fuel hook ups etc-big job but anythings possible. Good luck.

ian
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Hi Ian, any progress on your chassis?
Ross
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Old 20th June 2018, 10:51
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Hi

Not much progress really. I've mocked up the chassis in wood and found a source for all running gear. I'm trying to persuade my brother to let me borrow the corner of his workshop so I can construct a build table for my chassis. Purchased 400 quids worth of steel box sections, bought the engine mounts. I had been in contact with TTV racing about a flywheel but never heard back.That's up to date-unfortunately my other half wants some decorating done in the house so projects on hold till I've done that
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Old 21st June 2018, 08:55
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Hello,
My car is a Deon, equiped with a 2L Lancia engine.
Thanks for your help.
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Old 18th April 2019, 17:02
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Hi all

Finally I've picked up my 246 body shell from cascu, before he upsticks and moves lock stock and barrel to france.. Next up is to put the three wooden mock up deon chassis parts together and sit the shell on top to see what's happening. The deon chassis is 1 and a quarter inches wider than the 246 chassis which isn't a lot. I'll see how it fits but the 246 floor is some 8 inches shorter than the deon!!! I know the 246 engine bay is bigger but 8 inches bigger? I'm not sure
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Old 19th April 2019, 10:09
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I'll see how it fits but the 246 floor is some 8 inches shorter than the deon!!! I know the 246 engine bay is bigger but 8 inches bigger? I'm not sure
Hi Ian
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the 246 is 4 inches longer than the 206 but all the additional length is in the engine bay. This is borne out by my engine and rear boot lids which I think are from CASCU and which I had to cut down by a couple of inches on each to get them to fit my Classic replicas Dino.
As for the other 4 inches, I have compared my rear bulkhead to pictures of the 246, mine looks to be much closer to the vertical than the original, which, assuming that the rear window is in the same place in both, would give an extra few inches of floor space behind the seats.

Neil
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Old 19th April 2019, 14:01
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Hi all

Finally had a day off from work. So I thought I would sort out my garage and put most of my moulding/panel away for safekeeping. But this got me thinking. Now I know the origins of the 246 cascu body shell and panels and thought about offering them up to the deon 206 shell. Some surprises lads.
1. The engine cover is identical in size/width and length- except 206 has 6 vents.
2. The boot again is exactly the same width but some 70mm longer.
3. The bonnet is exactly the same width and the top and shape at the scuttle is identical. BUT it is 20mm shorter! Is this to compensate for the deon droopy nose? meaning deon bonnet was lengthened?
4. Door skin is different at the A post suggesting the 246 window screen is wider. Body swage line in door skin 2 inches lower than deon and door skin also 15mm longer than deon. Rear profile almost spot on with deon.
Funny comparing the two cars
Ian
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Old 19th April 2019, 14:04
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few others too
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Old 19th April 2019, 17:30
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hi all

After a few measurements I've found biggest difference is rear wheel arch position. Almost 4 inches too close to the rear edge of the door. see photos

ian
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Old 20th April 2019, 10:27
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Wow, some interesting measurements! A couple of points about Deon and CASCU that might explain some differences:
DEON is a mould of a mould of a mould taken from a genuine Ferrari Dino 206 (wheelbase 2280mm) but the position of the wheel arch was altered on the original mould to match the owner's chassis - which was from a Lotus Europa (2311mm).
I believe CASCU's was moulded from a genuine Ferrari Dino 246 (wheelbase 2340mm) 2340-2311=29mm difference.

Some other points: I read recently that the chrome trim over the side glass of the 206 matches the 246 and that windscreens are interchangeable.

http://www.lotuseuropa.org/gallery/D...otus_2_Ferrari

I'm going to measure my front clip from a genuine 246 and post some pictures for comparison.
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